I just cannot see how Erik's proposal should help with his main issue which I would rather describe as "Wikimedia" being the weakest of names, especially since "Wikipedia" and "MediaWiki" are out there and very, very well known.
To me, "Wikimedia" is the one name to be changed: something completely new may be invented in its place, and pretty much nobody would complain. Apart from some hardcore Wikipedians/Wikimedians and maybe a couple of sponsors, I don't think anyone knows the name at all. And those that know could most easily adopt a catchier name. Preferably something nice and fluffy that could be put on a T-shirt and made into a stuffed animal...
As to Erik's proposal, it reminds me of some of the marketing-driven naming and renaming schemes that do not care too much about usability and "catchiness". We might even end up with a mess like the following (recommended reading if you want to be sure to get a headache within 2 minutes):
http://www.cisco.com/en/US/products/sw/voicesw/ps2237/products_qanda_item090...
In a recent message, Erik asked for "rational" arguments rather than "emotional" ones. Here's one: IMHO "emotional success with the contributing user" pretty much equals "success" in non-profit grassroot communities like Wikimedia's projects.
Regards
- Andreas Praefcke
On 5/8/07, Andreas Praefcke bibliopolist@googlemail.com wrote:
To me, "Wikimedia" is the one name to be changed: something completely new may be invented in its place, and pretty much nobody would complain.
Yes, I very much support that, though I think there are very good reasons for a broader rebranding as well.
http://www.cisco.com/en/US/products/sw/voicesw/ps2237/products_qanda_item090...
:-) I think the healthy debate in this thread demonstrates that at least the basics of my proposal are fairly transparent and obvious.
In a recent message, Erik asked for "rational" arguments rather than "emotional" ones. Here's one: IMHO "emotional success with the contributing user" pretty much equals "success" in non-profit grassroot communities like Wikimedia's projects.
Arguably, yes. I am curious how unpopular this change would really be, both initially and after it has sunk in. I'd like to do some basic polling on it, but only after I've heard all the arguments for and against.
Do you believe that, if the projects had started under these names, people would have been less likely to contribute? If so, why?
Andreas Praefcke wrote:
I just cannot see how Erik's proposal should help with his main issue which I would rather describe as "Wikimedia" being the weakest of names, especially since "Wikipedia" and "MediaWiki" are out there and very, very well known.
To me, "Wikimedia" is the one name to be changed: something completely new may be invented in its place, and pretty much nobody would complain. Apart from some hardcore Wikipedians/Wikimedians and maybe a couple of sponsors, I don't think anyone knows the name at all. And those that know could most easily adopt a catchier name. Preferably something nice and fluffy that could be put on a T-shirt and made into a stuffed animal...
As to Erik's proposal, it reminds me of some of the marketing-driven naming and renaming schemes that do not care too much about usability and "catchiness". We might even end up with a mess like the following (recommended reading if you want to be sure to get a headache within 2 minutes):
http://www.cisco.com/en/US/products/sw/voicesw/ps2237/products_qanda_item090...
In a recent message, Erik asked for "rational" arguments rather than "emotional" ones. Here's one: IMHO "emotional success with the contributing user" pretty much equals "success" in non-profit grassroot communities like Wikimedia's projects.
Regards
- Andreas Praefcke
I could not have said it better. Volunteers are the heart and soul of Wikimedia projects, and brands for volunteer groups have substantially different needs than for-profit joint stock corporations. You should not be using the same business model for describing the two different kinds of thinking.
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