On Sun, Nov 16, 2008 at 3:33 PM, Gerard Meijssen
<gerard.meijssen(a)gmail.com>wrote;wrote:
Hoi,
When you look at the Hungarian statistics at Betawiki, Hungarian is doing
quite well with 99.76% done for the MediaWiki messages and 73.33% of the
messages ussed in Wikimedia projects. As I indicated, Flagged Revisions is
at 89,36%.
When you have localised the messages on a local server, you will have to
put
an effort into getting these messages on your server. When the localisation
is done at Betawiki, you can update your server from the SVN and the
localisations will be available at all the Hungarian projects when it is
implemented.
As I tried to convey, the messages needed are already translated on
Betawiki, the one's that aren't: half of them are just not counted as
translated, the other half may not even be used at all.
The local server was needed to see the extension in action: we tested the
extension on a copy of the Hungarian Wikipedia, tried out the different
messages, held local polls among translators and community members to decide
on the best names for the different pages. (Without this it would not have
been localisation, merely translation: for the remaining 10.64% you can
lobby for a translation or you can wait for it to be localised if need be).
I have nothing against BetaWiki, and I hope I didn't imply anything like
that. A note about pure statistics 100% is not always more useful than 77%:
the untranslated extensions are not seen by ordinary users (I don't see any
benefit in extending energy into translating the Global blocks extension
with no Hungarian stewards, or the CentralNotice one to which I do have
access to, but me only, and I am pretty fine with the English interface; the
third untranslated extension seems to be the checkuser extension: again not
very important with all local checkusers speaking English and not seen by
anyone else).
Thank you for reminding us and acknowledging our work, there's room for
improvement still: for some reason two important extensions have remained
untranslated until recently, but please don't try to make us feel guilty for
not doing unnecessary and possibly blind (as in never seeing the result of)
work.
Best regards,
Bence Damokos
People often do not complain when they think it is normal that new
functonality comes without localisation. It does not have to be this way;
you can have new functionality localised by keeping your localisation up to
date at Betawiki.
Thanks,
GeradM
On Sun, Nov 16, 2008 at 3:20 PM, Bence Damokos <bdamokos(a)gmail.com> wrote:
On Sun, Nov 16, 2008 at 3:05 PM, Gerard Meijssen
<gerard.meijssen(a)gmail.com>wrote;wrote:
Hoi,
I think it makes sense to have functionality like FlaggedRevs be
localised
> prior to it being enabled. Given that it is important for the editors
to
understand what is intended with Flagged Revisions. I would argue that
localisation prior to implementation is essential. I do appreciate
discussion this.
The Hebrew localisation is at 23.05%, Ukranian at 65.60%, Hungarian at
89.36%, zh-classical at 5.67%, Russian at 91.13% and Alemannisch at 0%.
The
> German, Esperanto and French localisation are done completely. The
> localisation is done for other languages as well, they have not
requested
The Hungarian version was tested on a local wiki and so the messages
needed
to our particular configuration are already translated (it's actually not
that an easy job, we had to really discuss what to call the different
classes of pages and users to convey the right meaning): if I'm mistaken
the
remaining messages can be translated quickly.
Full localisation did not seem to matter with other extensions (the
Collections extension was enabled on all Wikibooks' with 0% Hungarian
translation; all the new features of MediaWiki appear as untranslated
messages (although the update cycle of the live servers allows for
translating them before they go live), and still there's no outrage and
once
they appear on the UI they do get translated quite quickly, with the
added
knowledge of the context where they appear.
Best regards,
Bence Damokos
<http://translatewiki.net/wiki/Translating:Group_statistics>
>
> On Mon, Nov 10, 2008 at 1:14 AM, Luiz Augusto <lugusto(a)gmail.com>
wrote:
According to
http://noc.wikimedia.org/conf/highlight.php?file=flaggedrevs.php,
FlaggedRevs is enabled on de.wikipedia, ru.wikipedia and en.wikinews.
The extension is requested to get enabled on als.wikipedia
(bugzilla:13968),
de.wiktionary (13969), pt.wikinews (14254), en.wikibooks (14618),
he.wikisource (14648), zh-classical.wikipedia (14715), eo.wikipedia
(14728),
ru.wikiquote (14863), ru.wikisource (15006), uk.wiktionary (15335),
fr.wikinews (15346), hu.wikipedia (15568), pl.wikipedia (16177).
Is there any special reason for not enabling on those wikis (like
extension
> still needs to be fixed for security/stability issues) or it is only
the
> > usual backlog at shell requests? Is recommendable to make more
requests
at
this time or to wait a few more months?
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