Hoi, I think it makes sense to have functionality like FlaggedRevs be localised prior to it being enabled. Given that it is important for the editors to understand what is intended with Flagged Revisions. I would argue that localisation prior to implementation is essential. I do appreciate discussion this.
The Hebrew localisation is at 23.05%, Ukranian at 65.60%, Hungarian at 89.36%, zh-classical at 5.67%, Russian at 91.13% and Alemannisch at 0%. The German, Esperanto and French localisation are done completely. The localisation is done for other languages as well, they have not requested it for now. Thanks, GerardM
http://translatewiki.net/wiki/Translating:Group_statistics
On Mon, Nov 10, 2008 at 1:14 AM, Luiz Augusto lugusto@gmail.com wrote:
According to http://noc.wikimedia.org/conf/highlight.php?file=flaggedrevs.php, FlaggedRevs is enabled on de.wikipedia, ru.wikipedia and en.wikinews.
The extension is requested to get enabled on als.wikipedia (bugzilla:13968), de.wiktionary (13969), pt.wikinews (14254), en.wikibooks (14618), he.wikisource (14648), zh-classical.wikipedia (14715), eo.wikipedia (14728), ru.wikiquote (14863), ru.wikisource (15006), uk.wiktionary (15335), fr.wikinews (15346), hu.wikipedia (15568), pl.wikipedia (16177).
Is there any special reason for not enabling on those wikis (like extension still needs to be fixed for security/stability issues) or it is only the usual backlog at shell requests? Is recommendable to make more requests at this time or to wait a few more months? _______________________________________________ Wikitech-l mailing list Wikitech-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikitech-l
I am quite suprised that somebody is actually localizing this into Classical Chinese / Literary Chinese.
Ian [[User:Poeloq]]
On Sun, Nov 16, 2008 at 10:05 PM, Gerard Meijssen <gerard.meijssen@gmail.com
wrote:
Hoi, I think it makes sense to have functionality like FlaggedRevs be localised prior to it being enabled. Given that it is important for the editors to understand what is intended with Flagged Revisions. I would argue that localisation prior to implementation is essential. I do appreciate discussion this.
The Hebrew localisation is at 23.05%, Ukranian at 65.60%, Hungarian at 89.36%, zh-classical at 5.67%, Russian at 91.13% and Alemannisch at 0%. The German, Esperanto and French localisation are done completely. The localisation is done for other languages as well, they have not requested it for now. Thanks, GerardM
http://translatewiki.net/wiki/Translating:Group_statistics
On Mon, Nov 10, 2008 at 1:14 AM, Luiz Augusto lugusto@gmail.com wrote:
According to http://noc.wikimedia.org/conf/highlight.php?file=flaggedrevs.php, FlaggedRevs is enabled on de.wikipedia, ru.wikipedia and en.wikinews.
The extension is requested to get enabled on als.wikipedia (bugzilla:13968), de.wiktionary (13969), pt.wikinews (14254), en.wikibooks (14618), he.wikisource (14648), zh-classical.wikipedia (14715), eo.wikipedia (14728), ru.wikiquote (14863), ru.wikisource (15006), uk.wiktionary (15335), fr.wikinews (15346), hu.wikipedia (15568), pl.wikipedia (16177).
Is there any special reason for not enabling on those wikis (like
extension
still needs to be fixed for security/stability issues) or it is only the usual backlog at shell requests? Is recommendable to make more requests
at
this time or to wait a few more months? _______________________________________________ Wikitech-l mailing list Wikitech-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikitech-l
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On Sun, Nov 16, 2008 at 3:05 PM, Gerard Meijssen gerard.meijssen@gmail.comwrote:
Hoi, I think it makes sense to have functionality like FlaggedRevs be localised prior to it being enabled. Given that it is important for the editors to understand what is intended with Flagged Revisions. I would argue that localisation prior to implementation is essential. I do appreciate discussion this.
The Hebrew localisation is at 23.05%, Ukranian at 65.60%, Hungarian at 89.36%, zh-classical at 5.67%, Russian at 91.13% and Alemannisch at 0%. The German, Esperanto and French localisation are done completely. The localisation is done for other languages as well, they have not requested it for now. Thanks, GerardM
The Hungarian version was tested on a local wiki and so the messages needed to our particular configuration are already translated (it's actually not that an easy job, we had to really discuss what to call the different classes of pages and users to convey the right meaning): if I'm mistaken the remaining messages can be translated quickly.
Full localisation did not seem to matter with other extensions (the Collections extension was enabled on all Wikibooks' with 0% Hungarian translation; all the new features of MediaWiki appear as untranslated messages (although the update cycle of the live servers allows for translating them before they go live), and still there's no outrage and once they appear on the UI they do get translated quite quickly, with the added knowledge of the context where they appear.
Best regards, Bence Damokos
http://translatewiki.net/wiki/Translating:Group_statistics
On Mon, Nov 10, 2008 at 1:14 AM, Luiz Augusto lugusto@gmail.com wrote:
According to http://noc.wikimedia.org/conf/highlight.php?file=flaggedrevs.php, FlaggedRevs is enabled on de.wikipedia, ru.wikipedia and en.wikinews.
The extension is requested to get enabled on als.wikipedia (bugzilla:13968), de.wiktionary (13969), pt.wikinews (14254), en.wikibooks (14618), he.wikisource (14648), zh-classical.wikipedia (14715), eo.wikipedia (14728), ru.wikiquote (14863), ru.wikisource (15006), uk.wiktionary (15335), fr.wikinews (15346), hu.wikipedia (15568), pl.wikipedia (16177).
Is there any special reason for not enabling on those wikis (like
extension
still needs to be fixed for security/stability issues) or it is only the usual backlog at shell requests? Is recommendable to make more requests
at
this time or to wait a few more months? _______________________________________________ Wikitech-l mailing list Wikitech-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikitech-l
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Hoi, When you look at the Hungarian statistics at Betawiki, Hungarian is doing quite well with 99.76% done for the MediaWiki messages and 73.33% of the messages ussed in Wikimedia projects. As I indicated, Flagged Revisions is at 89,36%.
When you have localised the messages on a local server, you will have to put an effort into getting these messages on your server. When the localisation is done at Betawiki, you can update your server from the SVN and the localisations will be available at all the Hungarian projects when it is implemented.
People often do not complain when they think it is normal that new functonality comes without localisation. It does not have to be this way; you can have new functionality localised by keeping your localisation up to date at Betawiki. Thanks, GeradM
On Sun, Nov 16, 2008 at 3:20 PM, Bence Damokos bdamokos@gmail.com wrote:
On Sun, Nov 16, 2008 at 3:05 PM, Gerard Meijssen gerard.meijssen@gmail.comwrote:
Hoi, I think it makes sense to have functionality like FlaggedRevs be
localised
prior to it being enabled. Given that it is important for the editors to understand what is intended with Flagged Revisions. I would argue that localisation prior to implementation is essential. I do appreciate discussion this.
The Hebrew localisation is at 23.05%, Ukranian at 65.60%, Hungarian at 89.36%, zh-classical at 5.67%, Russian at 91.13% and Alemannisch at 0%.
The
German, Esperanto and French localisation are done completely. The localisation is done for other languages as well, they have not requested it for now. Thanks, GerardM
The Hungarian version was tested on a local wiki and so the messages needed to our particular configuration are already translated (it's actually not that an easy job, we had to really discuss what to call the different classes of pages and users to convey the right meaning): if I'm mistaken the remaining messages can be translated quickly.
Full localisation did not seem to matter with other extensions (the Collections extension was enabled on all Wikibooks' with 0% Hungarian translation; all the new features of MediaWiki appear as untranslated messages (although the update cycle of the live servers allows for translating them before they go live), and still there's no outrage and once they appear on the UI they do get translated quite quickly, with the added knowledge of the context where they appear.
Best regards, Bence Damokos
http://translatewiki.net/wiki/Translating:Group_statistics
On Mon, Nov 10, 2008 at 1:14 AM, Luiz Augusto lugusto@gmail.com wrote:
According to http://noc.wikimedia.org/conf/highlight.php?file=flaggedrevs.php, FlaggedRevs is enabled on de.wikipedia, ru.wikipedia and en.wikinews.
The extension is requested to get enabled on als.wikipedia (bugzilla:13968), de.wiktionary (13969), pt.wikinews (14254), en.wikibooks (14618), he.wikisource (14648), zh-classical.wikipedia (14715), eo.wikipedia (14728), ru.wikiquote (14863), ru.wikisource (15006), uk.wiktionary (15335), fr.wikinews (15346), hu.wikipedia (15568), pl.wikipedia (16177).
Is there any special reason for not enabling on those wikis (like
extension
still needs to be fixed for security/stability issues) or it is only
the
usual backlog at shell requests? Is recommendable to make more requests
at
this time or to wait a few more months? _______________________________________________ Wikitech-l mailing list Wikitech-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikitech-l
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On Sun, Nov 16, 2008 at 3:33 PM, Gerard Meijssen gerard.meijssen@gmail.comwrote:
Hoi, When you look at the Hungarian statistics at Betawiki, Hungarian is doing quite well with 99.76% done for the MediaWiki messages and 73.33% of the messages ussed in Wikimedia projects. As I indicated, Flagged Revisions is at 89,36%.
When you have localised the messages on a local server, you will have to put an effort into getting these messages on your server. When the localisation is done at Betawiki, you can update your server from the SVN and the localisations will be available at all the Hungarian projects when it is implemented.
As I tried to convey, the messages needed are already translated on Betawiki, the one's that aren't: half of them are just not counted as translated, the other half may not even be used at all.
The local server was needed to see the extension in action: we tested the extension on a copy of the Hungarian Wikipedia, tried out the different messages, held local polls among translators and community members to decide on the best names for the different pages. (Without this it would not have been localisation, merely translation: for the remaining 10.64% you can lobby for a translation or you can wait for it to be localised if need be).
I have nothing against BetaWiki, and I hope I didn't imply anything like that. A note about pure statistics 100% is not always more useful than 77%: the untranslated extensions are not seen by ordinary users (I don't see any benefit in extending energy into translating the Global blocks extension with no Hungarian stewards, or the CentralNotice one to which I do have access to, but me only, and I am pretty fine with the English interface; the third untranslated extension seems to be the checkuser extension: again not very important with all local checkusers speaking English and not seen by anyone else).
Thank you for reminding us and acknowledging our work, there's room for improvement still: for some reason two important extensions have remained untranslated until recently, but please don't try to make us feel guilty for not doing unnecessary and possibly blind (as in never seeing the result of) work.
Best regards, Bence Damokos
People often do not complain when they think it is normal that new functonality comes without localisation. It does not have to be this way; you can have new functionality localised by keeping your localisation up to date at Betawiki. Thanks, GeradM
On Sun, Nov 16, 2008 at 3:20 PM, Bence Damokos bdamokos@gmail.com wrote:
On Sun, Nov 16, 2008 at 3:05 PM, Gerard Meijssen gerard.meijssen@gmail.comwrote:
Hoi, I think it makes sense to have functionality like FlaggedRevs be
localised
prior to it being enabled. Given that it is important for the editors
to
understand what is intended with Flagged Revisions. I would argue that localisation prior to implementation is essential. I do appreciate discussion this.
The Hebrew localisation is at 23.05%, Ukranian at 65.60%, Hungarian at 89.36%, zh-classical at 5.67%, Russian at 91.13% and Alemannisch at 0%.
The
German, Esperanto and French localisation are done completely. The localisation is done for other languages as well, they have not
requested
it for now. Thanks, GerardM
The Hungarian version was tested on a local wiki and so the messages needed to our particular configuration are already translated (it's actually not that an easy job, we had to really discuss what to call the different classes of pages and users to convey the right meaning): if I'm mistaken the remaining messages can be translated quickly.
Full localisation did not seem to matter with other extensions (the Collections extension was enabled on all Wikibooks' with 0% Hungarian translation; all the new features of MediaWiki appear as untranslated messages (although the update cycle of the live servers allows for translating them before they go live), and still there's no outrage and once they appear on the UI they do get translated quite quickly, with the
added
knowledge of the context where they appear.
Best regards, Bence Damokos
http://translatewiki.net/wiki/Translating:Group_statistics
On Mon, Nov 10, 2008 at 1:14 AM, Luiz Augusto lugusto@gmail.com
wrote:
According to http://noc.wikimedia.org/conf/highlight.php?file=flaggedrevs.php, FlaggedRevs is enabled on de.wikipedia, ru.wikipedia and en.wikinews.
The extension is requested to get enabled on als.wikipedia (bugzilla:13968), de.wiktionary (13969), pt.wikinews (14254), en.wikibooks (14618), he.wikisource (14648), zh-classical.wikipedia (14715), eo.wikipedia (14728), ru.wikiquote (14863), ru.wikisource (15006), uk.wiktionary (15335), fr.wikinews (15346), hu.wikipedia (15568), pl.wikipedia (16177).
Is there any special reason for not enabling on those wikis (like
extension
still needs to be fixed for security/stability issues) or it is only
the
usual backlog at shell requests? Is recommendable to make more
requests
at
this time or to wait a few more months? _______________________________________________ Wikitech-l mailing list Wikitech-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikitech-l
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