Hi Darcy,
I am concerned at what appears to be deliberate suppression of questions raising governance related issues from the wikimedia UK email list. The email below is an example. The list was always intended to be independent of the UK chapter, though one of the moderators is one of your employees.
Could you please confirm that neither you, nor your employees, are manipulating this public list to your political advantage.
Thanks, Fae
---------- Forwarded message ---------- From: Fæ faewik@gmail.com Date: 18 November 2014 at 19:24 Subject: Re: [Wikimediauk-l] Welcome ro D'Arcy Myers To: UK Wikimedia mailing list wikimediauk-l@lists.wikimedia.org Cc: geniice@gmail.com, Harry Mitchell hjmitchell@ymail.com
It would be nice to hear from the board how this was discussed before offering the interim position. After all, in the several interviews I took part in for WMUK staff, pretty much the first basic question was along the lines of 'have you ever edited Wikipedia?' as a way of assessing what the candidate knows about Wikimedia; so I can not believe this would come as a surprise considering how sensitive the board is on COI and its perception by our community.
Fae
On 18 November 2014 19:13, geni geniice@gmail.com wrote:
On 18 November 2014 18:55, geni geniice@gmail.com wrote:
[[user:Dcfmyers]] has no other edits.
whoops missed a couple of deleted ones 2 edits to [[George More O'Ferrall]]. A direct copy and paste of
http://www.screenonline.org.uk/people/id/527160/
In fairness copyright is a pretty blameless error for new editors
-- geni
Wikimedia UK mailing list wikimediauk-l@wikimedia.org http://mail.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediauk-l WMUK: https://wikimedia.org.uk
-- faewik@gmail.com https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/User:Fae
Fae,
Please do not drag this list into whatever trouble you've found yourself in on another. Wikimedia-l is neither a court of appeals for Wikimedia-related lists nor a bullhorn for your personal grievances.
Austin
On Sun, Nov 23, 2014 at 1:45 PM, Fæ faewik@gmail.com wrote:
Hi Darcy,
I am concerned at what appears to be deliberate suppression of questions raising governance related issues from the wikimedia UK email list. The email below is an example. The list was always intended to be independent of the UK chapter, though one of the moderators is one of your employees.
Could you please confirm that neither you, nor your employees, are manipulating this public list to your political advantage.
Thanks, Fae
---------- Forwarded message ---------- From: Fæ faewik@gmail.com Date: 18 November 2014 at 19:24 Subject: Re: [Wikimediauk-l] Welcome ro D'Arcy Myers To: UK Wikimedia mailing list wikimediauk-l@lists.wikimedia.org Cc: geniice@gmail.com, Harry Mitchell hjmitchell@ymail.com
It would be nice to hear from the board how this was discussed before offering the interim position. After all, in the several interviews I took part in for WMUK staff, pretty much the first basic question was along the lines of 'have you ever edited Wikipedia?' as a way of assessing what the candidate knows about Wikimedia; so I can not believe this would come as a surprise considering how sensitive the board is on COI and its perception by our community.
Fae
On 18 November 2014 19:13, geni geniice@gmail.com wrote:
On 18 November 2014 18:55, geni geniice@gmail.com wrote:
[[user:Dcfmyers]] has no other edits.
whoops missed a couple of deleted ones 2 edits to [[George More O'Ferrall]]. A direct copy and paste of
http://www.screenonline.org.uk/people/id/527160/
In fairness copyright is a pretty blameless error for new editors
-- geni
Wikimedia UK mailing list wikimediauk-l@wikimedia.org http://mail.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediauk-l WMUK: https://wikimedia.org.uk
-- faewik@gmail.com https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/User:Fae
-- faewik@gmail.com https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/User:Fae Personal and confidential, please do not circulate or re-quote.
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I was rather puzzled by this email, then realized I had posted to Wikimedia-l rather than Wikimediauk-l as was my intention. Apologies for that slip.
Thanks, Fae
On 23 November 2014 at 16:37, Austin Hair adhair@gmail.com wrote:
Fae,
Please do not drag this list into whatever trouble you've found yourself in on another. Wikimedia-l is neither a court of appeals for Wikimedia-related lists nor a bullhorn for your personal grievances.
Austin
On Sun, Nov 23, 2014 at 1:45 PM, Fæ faewik@gmail.com wrote:
Hi Darcy,
I am concerned at what appears to be deliberate suppression of questions raising governance related issues from the wikimedia UK email list. The email below is an example. The list was always intended to be independent of the UK chapter, though one of the moderators is one of your employees.
Could you please confirm that neither you, nor your employees, are manipulating this public list to your political advantage.
Thanks, Fae
---------- Forwarded message ---------- From: Fæ faewik@gmail.com Date: 18 November 2014 at 19:24 Subject: Re: [Wikimediauk-l] Welcome ro D'Arcy Myers To: UK Wikimedia mailing list wikimediauk-l@lists.wikimedia.org Cc: geniice@gmail.com, Harry Mitchell hjmitchell@ymail.com
It would be nice to hear from the board how this was discussed before offering the interim position. After all, in the several interviews I took part in for WMUK staff, pretty much the first basic question was along the lines of 'have you ever edited Wikipedia?' as a way of assessing what the candidate knows about Wikimedia; so I can not believe this would come as a surprise considering how sensitive the board is on COI and its perception by our community.
Fae
On 18 November 2014 19:13, geni geniice@gmail.com wrote:
On 18 November 2014 18:55, geni geniice@gmail.com wrote:
[[user:Dcfmyers]] has no other edits.
whoops missed a couple of deleted ones 2 edits to [[George More O'Ferrall]]. A direct copy and paste of
http://www.screenonline.org.uk/people/id/527160/
In fairness copyright is a pretty blameless error for new editors
-- geni
Wikimedia UK mailing list wikimediauk-l@wikimedia.org http://mail.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediauk-l WMUK: https://wikimedia.org.uk
-- faewik@gmail.com https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/User:Fae
-- faewik@gmail.com https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/User:Fae Personal and confidential, please do not circulate or re-quote.
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Fair enough regarding the cross-posting. As for Wikimediauk-l, I'll leave that issue there.
Austin
On Sun, Nov 23, 2014 at 7:54 PM, Fæ faewik@gmail.com wrote:
I was rather puzzled by this email, then realized I had posted to Wikimedia-l rather than Wikimediauk-l as was my intention. Apologies for that slip.
Thanks, Fae
On 23 November 2014 at 16:37, Austin Hair adhair@gmail.com wrote:
Fae,
Please do not drag this list into whatever trouble you've found yourself in on another. Wikimedia-l is neither a court of appeals for Wikimedia-related lists nor a bullhorn for your personal grievances.
Austin
On Sun, Nov 23, 2014 at 1:45 PM, Fæ faewik@gmail.com wrote:
Hi Darcy,
I am concerned at what appears to be deliberate suppression of questions raising governance related issues from the wikimedia UK email list. The email below is an example. The list was always intended to be independent of the UK chapter, though one of the moderators is one of your employees.
Could you please confirm that neither you, nor your employees, are manipulating this public list to your political advantage.
Thanks, Fae
---------- Forwarded message ---------- From: Fæ faewik@gmail.com Date: 18 November 2014 at 19:24 Subject: Re: [Wikimediauk-l] Welcome ro D'Arcy Myers To: UK Wikimedia mailing list wikimediauk-l@lists.wikimedia.org Cc: geniice@gmail.com, Harry Mitchell hjmitchell@ymail.com
It would be nice to hear from the board how this was discussed before offering the interim position. After all, in the several interviews I took part in for WMUK staff, pretty much the first basic question was along the lines of 'have you ever edited Wikipedia?' as a way of assessing what the candidate knows about Wikimedia; so I can not believe this would come as a surprise considering how sensitive the board is on COI and its perception by our community.
Fae
On 18 November 2014 19:13, geni geniice@gmail.com wrote:
On 18 November 2014 18:55, geni geniice@gmail.com wrote:
[[user:Dcfmyers]] has no other edits.
whoops missed a couple of deleted ones 2 edits to [[George More O'Ferrall]]. A direct copy and paste of
http://www.screenonline.org.uk/people/id/527160/
In fairness copyright is a pretty blameless error for new editors
-- geni
Wikimedia UK mailing list wikimediauk-l@wikimedia.org http://mail.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediauk-l WMUK: https://wikimedia.org.uk
-- faewik@gmail.com https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/User:Fae
-- faewik@gmail.com https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/User:Fae Personal and confidential, please do not circulate or re-quote.
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I disagree, the question raised is relevant to the Wikimedia movement as a whole.
On Mon, 24 Nov 2014, at 02:37, Austin Hair wrote:
Fae,
Please do not drag this list into whatever trouble you've found yourself in on another. Wikimedia-l is neither a court of appeals for Wikimedia-related lists nor a bullhorn for your personal grievances.
Austin
On Sun, Nov 23, 2014 at 1:45 PM, Fæ faewik@gmail.com wrote:
Hi Darcy,
I am concerned at what appears to be deliberate suppression of questions raising governance related issues from the wikimedia UK email list. The email below is an example. The list was always intended to be independent of the UK chapter, though one of the moderators is one of your employees.
Could you please confirm that neither you, nor your employees, are manipulating this public list to your political advantage.
Thanks, Fae
---------- Forwarded message ---------- From: Fæ faewik@gmail.com Date: 18 November 2014 at 19:24 Subject: Re: [Wikimediauk-l] Welcome ro D'Arcy Myers To: UK Wikimedia mailing list wikimediauk-l@lists.wikimedia.org Cc: geniice@gmail.com, Harry Mitchell hjmitchell@ymail.com
It would be nice to hear from the board how this was discussed before offering the interim position. After all, in the several interviews I took part in for WMUK staff, pretty much the first basic question was along the lines of 'have you ever edited Wikipedia?' as a way of assessing what the candidate knows about Wikimedia; so I can not believe this would come as a surprise considering how sensitive the board is on COI and its perception by our community.
Fae
On 18 November 2014 19:13, geni geniice@gmail.com wrote:
On 18 November 2014 18:55, geni geniice@gmail.com wrote:
[[user:Dcfmyers]] has no other edits.
whoops missed a couple of deleted ones 2 edits to [[George More O'Ferrall]]. A direct copy and paste of
http://www.screenonline.org.uk/people/id/527160/
In fairness copyright is a pretty blameless error for new editors
-- geni
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-- faewik@gmail.com https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/User:Fae Personal and confidential, please do not circulate or re-quote.
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To clarify: I would like to see a more strong mechanism for review of Chapters work. This includes thorough feedback channels about how Chapters communicate, how they spend their funding. Including means to dissolve a Chapter if a large chunk of people believes it is not working well (such as, providing inadequate support to the Wikimedia movement).
This feedback channel is probably not here, but I feel this list could be an appropriate place to discuss how the above could be implemented.
On Mon, 24 Nov 2014, at 08:28, svetlana wrote:
I disagree, the question raised is relevant to the Wikimedia movement as a whole.
On Mon, 24 Nov 2014, at 02:37, Austin Hair wrote:
Fae,
Please do not drag this list into whatever trouble you've found yourself in on another. Wikimedia-l is neither a court of appeals for Wikimedia-related lists nor a bullhorn for your personal grievances.
Austin
On Sun, Nov 23, 2014 at 1:45 PM, Fæ faewik@gmail.com wrote:
Hi Darcy,
I am concerned at what appears to be deliberate suppression of questions raising governance related issues from the wikimedia UK email list. The email below is an example. The list was always intended to be independent of the UK chapter, though one of the moderators is one of your employees.
Could you please confirm that neither you, nor your employees, are manipulating this public list to your political advantage.
Thanks, Fae
---------- Forwarded message ---------- From: Fæ faewik@gmail.com Date: 18 November 2014 at 19:24 Subject: Re: [Wikimediauk-l] Welcome ro D'Arcy Myers To: UK Wikimedia mailing list wikimediauk-l@lists.wikimedia.org Cc: geniice@gmail.com, Harry Mitchell hjmitchell@ymail.com
It would be nice to hear from the board how this was discussed before offering the interim position. After all, in the several interviews I took part in for WMUK staff, pretty much the first basic question was along the lines of 'have you ever edited Wikipedia?' as a way of assessing what the candidate knows about Wikimedia; so I can not believe this would come as a surprise considering how sensitive the board is on COI and its perception by our community.
Fae
On 18 November 2014 19:13, geni geniice@gmail.com wrote:
On 18 November 2014 18:55, geni geniice@gmail.com wrote:
[[user:Dcfmyers]] has no other edits.
whoops missed a couple of deleted ones 2 edits to [[George More O'Ferrall]]. A direct copy and paste of
http://www.screenonline.org.uk/people/id/527160/
In fairness copyright is a pretty blameless error for new editors
-- geni
Wikimedia UK mailing list wikimediauk-l@wikimedia.org http://mail.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediauk-l WMUK: https://wikimedia.org.uk
-- faewik@gmail.com https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/User:Fae
-- faewik@gmail.com https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/User:Fae Personal and confidential, please do not circulate or re-quote.
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Hoi, As there is this constant call for more paper work for chapters, it has to be understood that this is exactly what kills the productivity of chapters. There are always more people with their opinion why this that or the other is amiss. They all have their arguments why they think they are right and consequently contribute to the noise level that is already way too high.
If anything we should look for ways of appreciating the effect of chapters that does not make them beholden to every John Dick AND Harry and at the same time gives them equal space to move as effectively as the Wikimedia Foundation itself. Thanks, GerardM
On 23 November 2014 at 23:02, svetlana svetlana@fastmail.com.au wrote:
To clarify: I would like to see a more strong mechanism for review of Chapters work. This includes thorough feedback channels about how Chapters communicate, how they spend their funding. Including means to dissolve a Chapter if a large chunk of people believes it is not working well (such as, providing inadequate support to the Wikimedia movement).
This feedback channel is probably not here, but I feel this list could be an appropriate place to discuss how the above could be implemented.
On Mon, 24 Nov 2014, at 08:28, svetlana wrote:
I disagree, the question raised is relevant to the Wikimedia movement as
a whole.
On Mon, 24 Nov 2014, at 02:37, Austin Hair wrote:
Fae,
Please do not drag this list into whatever trouble you've found yourself in on another. Wikimedia-l is neither a court of appeals for Wikimedia-related lists nor a bullhorn for your personal grievances.
Austin
On Sun, Nov 23, 2014 at 1:45 PM, Fæ faewik@gmail.com wrote:
Hi Darcy,
I am concerned at what appears to be deliberate suppression of questions raising governance related issues from the wikimedia UK email list. The email below is an example. The list was always intended to be independent of the UK chapter, though one of the moderators is one of your employees.
Could you please confirm that neither you, nor your employees, are manipulating this public list to your political advantage.
Thanks, Fae
---------- Forwarded message ---------- From: Fæ faewik@gmail.com Date: 18 November 2014 at 19:24 Subject: Re: [Wikimediauk-l] Welcome ro D'Arcy Myers To: UK Wikimedia mailing list wikimediauk-l@lists.wikimedia.org Cc: geniice@gmail.com, Harry Mitchell hjmitchell@ymail.com
It would be nice to hear from the board how this was discussed before offering the interim position. After all, in the several interviews I took part in for WMUK staff, pretty much the first basic question was along the lines of 'have you ever edited Wikipedia?' as a way of assessing what the candidate knows about Wikimedia; so I can not believe this would come as a surprise considering how sensitive the board is on COI and its perception by our community.
Fae
On 18 November 2014 19:13, geni geniice@gmail.com wrote:
On 18 November 2014 18:55, geni geniice@gmail.com wrote:
[[user:Dcfmyers]] has no other edits.
whoops missed a couple of deleted ones 2 edits to [[George More
O'Ferrall]]. A direct copy and paste of
http://www.screenonline.org.uk/people/id/527160/
In fairness copyright is a pretty blameless error for new editors
-- geni
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I maintain that I would love to have a formal universal feedback channel for Chapters work. It has to be drama-free, but transparent, and not moderated.
Feedback is occasionally not negative, and may contain thorough project ideas.
-- svetlana
On Mon, 24 Nov 2014, at 18:03, Gerard Meijssen wrote:
Hoi, As there is this constant call for more paper work for chapters, it has to be understood that this is exactly what kills the productivity of chapters. There are always more people with their opinion why this that or the other is amiss. They all have their arguments why they think they are right and consequently contribute to the noise level that is already way too high.
If anything we should look for ways of appreciating the effect of chapters that does not make them beholden to every John Dick AND Harry and at the same time gives them equal space to move as effectively as the Wikimedia Foundation itself. Thanks, GerardM
On 23 November 2014 at 23:02, svetlana svetlana@fastmail.com.au wrote:
To clarify: I would like to see a more strong mechanism for review of Chapters work. This includes thorough feedback channels about how Chapters communicate, how they spend their funding. Including means to dissolve a Chapter if a large chunk of people believes it is not working well (such as, providing inadequate support to the Wikimedia movement).
This feedback channel is probably not here, but I feel this list could be an appropriate place to discuss how the above could be implemented.
On Mon, 24 Nov 2014, at 08:28, svetlana wrote:
I disagree, the question raised is relevant to the Wikimedia movement as
a whole.
On Mon, 24 Nov 2014, at 02:37, Austin Hair wrote:
Fae,
Please do not drag this list into whatever trouble you've found yourself in on another. Wikimedia-l is neither a court of appeals for Wikimedia-related lists nor a bullhorn for your personal grievances.
Austin
On Sun, Nov 23, 2014 at 1:45 PM, Fæ faewik@gmail.com wrote:
Hi Darcy,
I am concerned at what appears to be deliberate suppression of questions raising governance related issues from the wikimedia UK email list. The email below is an example. The list was always intended to be independent of the UK chapter, though one of the moderators is one of your employees.
Could you please confirm that neither you, nor your employees, are manipulating this public list to your political advantage.
Thanks, Fae
---------- Forwarded message ---------- From: Fæ faewik@gmail.com Date: 18 November 2014 at 19:24 Subject: Re: [Wikimediauk-l] Welcome ro D'Arcy Myers To: UK Wikimedia mailing list wikimediauk-l@lists.wikimedia.org Cc: geniice@gmail.com, Harry Mitchell hjmitchell@ymail.com
It would be nice to hear from the board how this was discussed before offering the interim position. After all, in the several interviews I took part in for WMUK staff, pretty much the first basic question was along the lines of 'have you ever edited Wikipedia?' as a way of assessing what the candidate knows about Wikimedia; so I can not believe this would come as a surprise considering how sensitive the board is on COI and its perception by our community.
Fae
On 18 November 2014 19:13, geni geniice@gmail.com wrote:
On 18 November 2014 18:55, geni geniice@gmail.com wrote: > > > > [[user:Dcfmyers]] has no other edits. > >
whoops missed a couple of deleted ones 2 edits to [[George More
O'Ferrall]]. A direct copy and paste of
http://www.screenonline.org.uk/people/id/527160/
In fairness copyright is a pretty blameless error for new editors
-- geni
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Think I can run an instance of https://github.com/mozilla/fjord on Labs and have various Wikimedia projects (Wikis and Chapters) point to it in their sidebar. A universal "Leave Feedback" link.
It would take people to a page similar to https://input.mozilla.org/en-US/feedback, with an appropriate disclaimer: "If you need help or have a problem with Firefox, please visit Firefox Support." We could be able to customize it for each project to fit our needs. (Include aggressive pointers to OTRS queues and village pumps for each project, as appropriate).
Thoughts?
-- svetlana
On Tue, 25 Nov 2014, at 08:19, svetlana wrote:
I maintain that I would love to have a formal universal feedback channel for Chapters work. It has to be drama-free, but transparent, and not moderated.
Feedback is occasionally not negative, and may contain thorough project ideas.
-- svetlana
On Mon, 24 Nov 2014, at 18:03, Gerard Meijssen wrote:
Hoi, As there is this constant call for more paper work for chapters, it has to be understood that this is exactly what kills the productivity of chapters. There are always more people with their opinion why this that or the other is amiss. They all have their arguments why they think they are right and consequently contribute to the noise level that is already way too high.
If anything we should look for ways of appreciating the effect of chapters that does not make them beholden to every John Dick AND Harry and at the same time gives them equal space to move as effectively as the Wikimedia Foundation itself. Thanks, GerardM
On 23 November 2014 at 23:02, svetlana svetlana@fastmail.com.au wrote:
To clarify: I would like to see a more strong mechanism for review of Chapters work. This includes thorough feedback channels about how Chapters communicate, how they spend their funding. Including means to dissolve a Chapter if a large chunk of people believes it is not working well (such as, providing inadequate support to the Wikimedia movement).
This feedback channel is probably not here, but I feel this list could be an appropriate place to discuss how the above could be implemented.
On Mon, 24 Nov 2014, at 08:28, svetlana wrote:
I disagree, the question raised is relevant to the Wikimedia movement as
a whole.
On Mon, 24 Nov 2014, at 02:37, Austin Hair wrote:
Fae,
Please do not drag this list into whatever trouble you've found yourself in on another. Wikimedia-l is neither a court of appeals for Wikimedia-related lists nor a bullhorn for your personal grievances.
Austin
On Sun, Nov 23, 2014 at 1:45 PM, Fæ faewik@gmail.com wrote:
Hi Darcy,
I am concerned at what appears to be deliberate suppression of questions raising governance related issues from the wikimedia UK email list. The email below is an example. The list was always intended to be independent of the UK chapter, though one of the moderators is one of your employees.
Could you please confirm that neither you, nor your employees, are manipulating this public list to your political advantage.
Thanks, Fae
---------- Forwarded message ---------- From: Fæ faewik@gmail.com Date: 18 November 2014 at 19:24 Subject: Re: [Wikimediauk-l] Welcome ro D'Arcy Myers To: UK Wikimedia mailing list wikimediauk-l@lists.wikimedia.org Cc: geniice@gmail.com, Harry Mitchell hjmitchell@ymail.com
It would be nice to hear from the board how this was discussed before offering the interim position. After all, in the several interviews I took part in for WMUK staff, pretty much the first basic question was along the lines of 'have you ever edited Wikipedia?' as a way of assessing what the candidate knows about Wikimedia; so I can not believe this would come as a surprise considering how sensitive the board is on COI and its perception by our community.
Fae
On 18 November 2014 19:13, geni geniice@gmail.com wrote: > > > > On 18 November 2014 18:55, geni geniice@gmail.com wrote: >> >> >> >> [[user:Dcfmyers]] has no other edits. >> >> > > whoops missed a couple of deleted ones 2 edits to [[George More
O'Ferrall]]. A direct copy and paste of
> > http://www.screenonline.org.uk/people/id/527160/ > > In fairness copyright is a pretty blameless error for new editors > > > -- > geni > > _______________________________________________ > Wikimedia UK mailing list > wikimediauk-l@wikimedia.org > http://mail.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediauk-l > WMUK: https://wikimedia.org.uk
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Looks like Extension:MoodBar aka FeedbackDashboard, which was enabled on enwiki for some time. Am 24.11.2014 22:26 schrieb "svetlana" svetlana@fastmail.com.au:
Think I can run an instance of https://github.com/mozilla/fjord on Labs and have various Wikimedia projects (Wikis and Chapters) point to it in their sidebar. A universal "Leave Feedback" link.
It would take people to a page similar to https://input.mozilla.org/en-US/feedback, with an appropriate disclaimer: "If you need help or have a problem with Firefox, please visit Firefox Support." We could be able to customize it for each project to fit our needs. (Include aggressive pointers to OTRS queues and village pumps for each project, as appropriate).
Thoughts?
-- svetlana
On Tue, 25 Nov 2014, at 08:19, svetlana wrote:
I maintain that I would love to have a formal universal feedback channel
for Chapters work. It has to be drama-free, but transparent, and not moderated.
Feedback is occasionally not negative, and may contain thorough project
ideas.
-- svetlana
On Mon, 24 Nov 2014, at 18:03, Gerard Meijssen wrote:
Hoi, As there is this constant call for more paper work for chapters, it
has to
be understood that this is exactly what kills the productivity of
chapters.
There are always more people with their opinion why this that or the
other
is amiss. They all have their arguments why they think they are right
and
consequently contribute to the noise level that is already way too
high.
If anything we should look for ways of appreciating the effect of
chapters
that does not make them beholden to every John Dick AND Harry and at
the
same time gives them equal space to move as effectively as the
Wikimedia
Foundation itself. Thanks, GerardM
On 23 November 2014 at 23:02, svetlana svetlana@fastmail.com.au
wrote:
To clarify: I would like to see a more strong mechanism for review of Chapters work. This includes thorough feedback channels about how
Chapters
communicate, how they spend their funding. Including means to
dissolve a
Chapter if a large chunk of people believes it is not working well
(such
as, providing inadequate support to the Wikimedia movement).
This feedback channel is probably not here, but I feel this list
could be
an appropriate place to discuss how the above could be implemented.
On Mon, 24 Nov 2014, at 08:28, svetlana wrote:
I disagree, the question raised is relevant to the Wikimedia
movement as
a whole.
On Mon, 24 Nov 2014, at 02:37, Austin Hair wrote:
Fae,
Please do not drag this list into whatever trouble you've found yourself in on another. Wikimedia-l is neither a court of
appeals for
Wikimedia-related lists nor a bullhorn for your personal
grievances.
Austin
On Sun, Nov 23, 2014 at 1:45 PM, Fæ faewik@gmail.com wrote: > Hi Darcy, > > I am concerned at what appears to be deliberate suppression of > questions raising governance related issues from the wikimedia
UK
> email list. The email below is an example. The list was always > intended to be independent of the UK chapter, though one of the > moderators is one of your employees. > > Could you please confirm that neither you, nor your employees,
are
> manipulating this public list to your political advantage. > > Thanks, > Fae > > ---------- Forwarded message ---------- > From: Fæ faewik@gmail.com > Date: 18 November 2014 at 19:24 > Subject: Re: [Wikimediauk-l] Welcome ro D'Arcy Myers > To: UK Wikimedia mailing list <
wikimediauk-l@lists.wikimedia.org>
> Cc: geniice@gmail.com, Harry Mitchell hjmitchell@ymail.com > > > It would be nice to hear from the board how this was discussed
before
> offering the interim position. After all, in the several
interviews I
> took part in for WMUK staff, pretty much the first basic
question was
> along the lines of 'have you ever edited Wikipedia?' as a way
of
> assessing what the candidate knows about Wikimedia; so I can
not
> believe this would come as a surprise considering how
sensitive the
> board is on COI and its perception by our community. > > Fae > > > > On 18 November 2014 19:13, geni geniice@gmail.com wrote: >> >> >> >> On 18 November 2014 18:55, geni geniice@gmail.com wrote: >>> >>> >>> >>> [[user:Dcfmyers]] has no other edits. >>> >>> >> >> whoops missed a couple of deleted ones 2 edits to [[George
More
O'Ferrall]]. A direct copy and paste of
>> >> http://www.screenonline.org.uk/people/id/527160/ >> >> In fairness copyright is a pretty blameless error for new
editors
>> >> >> -- >> geni >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Wikimedia UK mailing list >> wikimediauk-l@wikimedia.org >> http://mail.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediauk-l >> WMUK: https://wikimedia.org.uk > > > > > -- > faewik@gmail.com https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/User:Fae
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It should. As I recall, the idea came from their work. :-) (Don't quote me, but pretty sure I'm right.)
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On Mon, Nov 24, 2014 at 3:58 PM, MF-Warburg mfwarburg@googlemail.com wrote:
Looks like Extension:MoodBar aka FeedbackDashboard, which was enabled on enwiki for some time. Am 24.11.2014 22:26 schrieb "svetlana" svetlana@fastmail.com.au:
Think I can run an instance of https://github.com/mozilla/fjord on Labs and have various Wikimedia projects (Wikis and Chapters) point to it in their sidebar. A universal "Leave Feedback" link.
It would take people to a page similar to https://input.mozilla.org/en-US/feedback, with an appropriate
disclaimer:
"If you need help or have a problem with Firefox, please visit Firefox Support." We could be able to customize it for each project to fit our needs. (Include aggressive pointers to OTRS queues and village pumps for each project, as appropriate).
Thoughts?
-- svetlana
On Tue, 25 Nov 2014, at 08:19, svetlana wrote:
I maintain that I would love to have a formal universal feedback
channel
for Chapters work. It has to be drama-free, but transparent, and not moderated.
Feedback is occasionally not negative, and may contain thorough project
ideas.
-- svetlana
On Mon, 24 Nov 2014, at 18:03, Gerard Meijssen wrote:
Hoi, As there is this constant call for more paper work for chapters, it
has to
be understood that this is exactly what kills the productivity of
chapters.
There are always more people with their opinion why this that or the
other
is amiss. They all have their arguments why they think they are right
and
consequently contribute to the noise level that is already way too
high.
If anything we should look for ways of appreciating the effect of
chapters
that does not make them beholden to every John Dick AND Harry and at
the
same time gives them equal space to move as effectively as the
Wikimedia
Foundation itself. Thanks, GerardM
On 23 November 2014 at 23:02, svetlana svetlana@fastmail.com.au
wrote:
To clarify: I would like to see a more strong mechanism for review
of
Chapters work. This includes thorough feedback channels about how
Chapters
communicate, how they spend their funding. Including means to
dissolve a
Chapter if a large chunk of people believes it is not working well
(such
as, providing inadequate support to the Wikimedia movement).
This feedback channel is probably not here, but I feel this list
could be
an appropriate place to discuss how the above could be implemented.
On Mon, 24 Nov 2014, at 08:28, svetlana wrote:
I disagree, the question raised is relevant to the Wikimedia
movement as
a whole.
On Mon, 24 Nov 2014, at 02:37, Austin Hair wrote: > Fae, > > Please do not drag this list into whatever trouble you've found > yourself in on another. Wikimedia-l is neither a court of
appeals for
> Wikimedia-related lists nor a bullhorn for your personal
grievances.
> > Austin > > > On Sun, Nov 23, 2014 at 1:45 PM, Fæ faewik@gmail.com wrote: > > Hi Darcy, > > > > I am concerned at what appears to be deliberate suppression
of
> > questions raising governance related issues from the
wikimedia
UK
> > email list. The email below is an example. The list was
always
> > intended to be independent of the UK chapter, though one of
the
> > moderators is one of your employees. > > > > Could you please confirm that neither you, nor your
employees,
are
> > manipulating this public list to your political advantage. > > > > Thanks, > > Fae > > > > ---------- Forwarded message ---------- > > From: Fæ faewik@gmail.com > > Date: 18 November 2014 at 19:24 > > Subject: Re: [Wikimediauk-l] Welcome ro D'Arcy Myers > > To: UK Wikimedia mailing list <
wikimediauk-l@lists.wikimedia.org>
> > Cc: geniice@gmail.com, Harry Mitchell hjmitchell@ymail.com > > > > > > It would be nice to hear from the board how this was
discussed
before
> > offering the interim position. After all, in the several
interviews I
> > took part in for WMUK staff, pretty much the first basic
question was
> > along the lines of 'have you ever edited Wikipedia?' as a way
of
> > assessing what the candidate knows about Wikimedia; so I can
not
> > believe this would come as a surprise considering how
sensitive the
> > board is on COI and its perception by our community. > > > > Fae > > > > > > > > On 18 November 2014 19:13, geni geniice@gmail.com wrote: > >> > >> > >> > >> On 18 November 2014 18:55, geni geniice@gmail.com wrote: > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> [[user:Dcfmyers]] has no other edits. > >>> > >>> > >> > >> whoops missed a couple of deleted ones 2 edits to [[George
More
O'Ferrall]]. A direct copy and paste of
> >> > >> http://www.screenonline.org.uk/people/id/527160/ > >> > >> In fairness copyright is a pretty blameless error for new
editors
> >> > >> > >> -- > >> geni > >> > >> _______________________________________________ > >> Wikimedia UK mailing list > >> wikimediauk-l@wikimedia.org > >> http://mail.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediauk-l > >> WMUK: https://wikimedia.org.uk > > > > > > > > > > -- > > faewik@gmail.com https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/User:Fae
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On 23 November 2014 at 21:28, svetlana svetlana@fastmail.com.au wrote:
I disagree, the question raised is relevant to the Wikimedia movement as a whole.
On Mon, 24 Nov 2014, at 02:37, Austin Hair wrote:
Fae,
Please do not drag this list into whatever trouble you've found yourself in on another. Wikimedia-l is neither a court of appeals for Wikimedia-related lists nor a bullhorn for your personal grievances.
Austin
On Sun, Nov 23, 2014 at 1:45 PM, Fæ faewik@gmail.com wrote:
Hi Darcy,
I am concerned at what appears to be deliberate suppression of questions raising governance related issues from the wikimedia UK email list. The email below is an example. The list was always intended to be independent of the UK chapter, though one of the moderators is one of your employees.
Could you please confirm that neither you, nor your employees, are manipulating this public list to your political advantage.
Thanks, Fae
---------- Forwarded message ---------- From: Fæ faewik@gmail.com Date: 18 November 2014 at 19:24 Subject: Re: [Wikimediauk-l] Welcome ro D'Arcy Myers To: UK Wikimedia mailing list wikimediauk-l@lists.wikimedia.org Cc: geniice@gmail.com, Harry Mitchell hjmitchell@ymail.com
It would be nice to hear from the board how this was discussed before offering the interim position. After all, in the several interviews I took part in for WMUK staff, pretty much the first basic question was along the lines of 'have you ever edited Wikipedia?' as a way of assessing what the candidate knows about Wikimedia; so I can not believe this would come as a surprise considering how sensitive the board is on COI and its perception by our community.
Fae
On 18 November 2014 19:13, geni geniice@gmail.com wrote:
On 18 November 2014 18:55, geni geniice@gmail.com wrote:
[[user:Dcfmyers]] has no other edits.
whoops missed a couple of deleted ones 2 edits to [[George More O'Ferrall]]. A direct copy and paste of
http://www.screenonline.org.uk/people/id/527160/
In fairness copyright is a pretty blameless error for new editors
-- geni
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Fæ wrote:
Could you please confirm that neither you, nor your employees, are manipulating this public list to your political advantage.
This is unreasonable. We don't require pledges of fealty on-demand from list moderators.
Austin Hair wrote:
Please do not drag this list into whatever trouble you've found yourself in on another. Wikimedia-l is neither a court of appeals for Wikimedia-related lists nor a bullhorn for your personal grievances.
Well said.
MZMcBride
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