I think there is fair reason to raise questions about the benefit of paywalled sources, despite my optimism about the partnerships. I don't totally share the concerns, but they are surely worth addressing:
First off, we are not handled any ideal choices here. Either our editors do not have access to paywalled information from which to add to our articles, or, our readers will likely not have access to those paywalled sources from which content was added.
An approach to better weigh the balance here is to consider the relative percentage of our users who will *read* article content versus those who *source-check* it. I think I can comfortably say that readers far outnumber source-checkers. That means that whatever the cost to readers, it is likely several times less than the benefit to them, at least in aggregate.
There are secondary considerations, still. For example, will having an increasing number of paywalled sources make things difficult for fellow *editors* to do verification work? While this is already a problem to a degree, it's not necessarily one we want to worsen. My approach to mitigating that concern is to try and make sure that *enough* of our readers do have access to these paywalled sources. For example, there will soon be '1000' editors with access to HighBeam (some of our most active for sure), and then there's always Wikiproject Resource Exchange for what falls in the gap.
Will the public lose faith in Wikipedia if the content cannot be easily verified? I wish the answer wasn't so easy for me, but I think it's almost definitely that they will not lose faith. Because the average reader cares not where the information came from as long as it is presented to them in a seemingly accurate, thorough, and unbiased fashion. And I can't really imagine a great revolt in the press or elsewhere because Wikipedia is suddenly taking advantage of the best available resources that serious scholars use in their own practice.
There is indeed a sea change happening with open access, and perhaps we are benefiting in part from databases trying to 'open-wash' their reputations. I think there are more primary reasons they have made these donations, however, such as receiving linkbacks, attention and good will among editors, and altruistic intentions to improve Wikipedia. In time, perhaps, we won't have to make these kinds of difficult choices...
Thanks for your thoughts on this. We should continue the discussion, particularly as efforts to build a 'Wikipedia Library' of sorts go forward. Jake Orlowitz Wikipedia editor: Ocaasi http://enwp.org/User:Ocaasi wikiocaasi@yahoo.com
A few additional thoughts:
This is not just a problem with paywalled sources, but *any* source which is not available free *and* online. Not all of the sources that have been donated are solely pay-for-access; some of them, for example, you would just need a good university library reference section to access. Yet I don't know if the same concerns would be raised about editors using library reference desks, any printed content for that matter. Much print content is just as difficult for readers to verify, whether it is available somewhere in the brick-and-mortar world free, or not.
A second consideration is that editors are instructed as part of these partnerships to use a free version if available, and to always provide the original citation information so that a reader can seek it out on their own. Some information, for example newspaper archives, may be available nowhere else but paywalled sites. If we don't have access to them, then not only will our readers not be able to look up the source, they won't be able to read about the content in the first place.
Jake Orlowitz Wikipedia editor: Ocaasi http://enwp.org/User:Ocaasi wikiocaasi@yahoo.com
On 12 August 2012 00:07, Ocaasi Ocaasi wikiocaasi@yahoo.com wrote:
This is not just a problem with paywalled sources, but *any* source which is not available free *and* online. Not all of the sources that have been donated are solely pay-for-access; some of them, for example, you would just need a good university library reference section to access. Yet I don't know if the same concerns would be raised about editors using library reference desks, any printed content for that matter. Much print content is just as difficult for readers to verify, whether it is available somewhere in the brick-and-mortar world free, or not.
I think it's a net win for our mission because it gets a summary of the knowledge itself into the encyclopedia.
I would consider it an extremely bad idea for print sources to be deprecated. Wikipedia already has enough of a problem with history having apparently started in 1995.
- d.
On 8/12/12 1:20 AM, David Gerard wrote:
On 12 August 2012 00:07, Ocaasi Ocaasi wikiocaasi@yahoo.com wrote:
This is not just a problem with paywalled sources, but *any* source which is not available free *and* online. Not all of the sources that have been donated are solely pay-for-access; some of them, for example, you would just need a good university library reference section to access. Yet I don't know if the same concerns would be raised about editors using library reference desks, any printed content for that matter. Much print content is just as difficult for readers to verify, whether it is available somewhere in the brick-and-mortar world free, or not.
I think it's a net win for our mission because it gets a summary of the knowledge itself into the encyclopedia.
I would consider it an extremely bad idea for print sources to be deprecated. Wikipedia already has enough of a problem with history having apparently started in 1995.
This is my general view as well. While I, like everyone else, am annoyed at hitting journal paywalls, in practical effect they aren't really any worse than academic-press books. You can't get them online, but have to head in person to a university library to request a copy. I don't think the state of the open-access literature is yet such that we can produce a good encyclopedia in many areas if we cite *only* open-access, online sources, and exclude everything that is available only in print. But if we permit things that can be gotten only in print, then closed-access journals are usually no worse than academic-press books: both can be had free at a university library, but probably not easily from Amazon or your local non-university library.
I do try to prioritize in rough order of accessibility *if* all else is equal. Best is available online, second-best is widely available in print (low-priced book available in regular libraries), third-best is available in most university libraries, and last-best is obscure stuff available only in specialist archives. So most closed-access journals fall into category #3, which is sub-optimal but often needed.
-Mark
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