Delphine wrote:
- The slogan "Wikipedia is a non-profit" sounds weird to me...
Well, Wikipedia itself isn't a nonprofit, the Foundation is. But "is nonprofit" and "is a nonprofit" are both acceptable in English (1st is an adjective, 2nd is a noun) so I don't see an issue with those words.
- While I understand the necessity and the advantages of pushing
Wikipedia over the other projects in terms of "return on investment", I really think it would make sense to find a slightly different wording/message for the notices on other projects. It doesn't mean that we shouldn't use Wikipedia's name, but if the Foundation is ever hoping to push other Wikimedia projects forward, it should probably start to include them more prominently in its own communications to start with.
I agree - Wikipedia has brand recognition, but the other projects need to develop some - that means co-branding with Wikipedia and/or the Wikimedia Foundation. This is one prominent example of an area where Wikipedia's sister projects are notably absent. We should try to emphasize on Wikipedia's notices that donations will help Wikipedia and these other cool things. On other projects, something like "Wikibooks, like Wikipedia, is a project of the WMF, and we need money" might make more sense. I don't know whether we can currently do different notices on different projects, but I think it will be very strange to have a "Wikipedia needs money" at the top of a Wikibooks page. For projects struggling to gain their own notoriety, some support from the Foundation would be nice.
-Mike
2008/10/22 Mike.lifeguard mikelifeguard@fastmail.fm:
Delphine wrote:
- The slogan "Wikipedia is a non-profit" sounds weird to me...
Well, Wikipedia itself isn't a nonprofit, the Foundation is. But "is nonprofit" and "is a nonprofit" are both acceptable in English (1st is an adjective, 2nd is a noun) so I don't see an issue with those words.
"is nonprofit" would be more strictly accurate.
- d.
On Thu, Oct 23, 2008 at 8:45 AM, David Gerard dgerard@gmail.com wrote:
2008/10/22 Mike.lifeguard mikelifeguard@fastmail.fm:
Delphine wrote:
- The slogan "Wikipedia is a non-profit" sounds weird to me...
Well, Wikipedia itself isn't a nonprofit, the Foundation is. But "is nonprofit" and "is a nonprofit" are both acceptable in English (1st is an adjective, 2nd is a noun) so I don't see an issue with those words.
"is nonprofit" would be more strictly accurate.
- d.
It's not conclusive of anything, but interesting:
Google.com search for "is non-profit": about 90,000 "is nonprofit": about 41.200 "is a nonprofit": about 1,930,000 "is a non-profit": about 1,660,000
Of course, this doesn't take into account the context.
Perhaps "Wikipedia is a nonprofit organization" (or "non-profit organization") if you prefer. Of course, that exposes the "organisation/organization" difference.
-Rich
Wikipedia is not an organization, and thus cannot be *a* non-profit.
2008/10/29 Rich Holton richholton@gmail.com
On Thu, Oct 23, 2008 at 8:45 AM, David Gerard dgerard@gmail.com wrote:
2008/10/22 Mike.lifeguard mikelifeguard@fastmail.fm:
Delphine wrote:
- The slogan "Wikipedia is a non-profit" sounds weird to me...
Well, Wikipedia itself isn't a nonprofit, the Foundation is. But "is nonprofit" and "is a nonprofit" are both acceptable in English (1st is an adjective, 2nd is a noun) so I don't see an issue with those words.
"is nonprofit" would be more strictly accurate.
- d.
It's not conclusive of anything, but interesting:
Google.com search for "is non-profit": about 90,000 "is nonprofit": about 41.200 "is a nonprofit": about 1,930,000 "is a non-profit": about 1,660,000
Of course, this doesn't take into account the context.
Perhaps "Wikipedia is a nonprofit organization" (or "non-profit organization") if you prefer. Of course, that exposes the "organisation/organization" difference.
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a non.profit project?
On Wed, Oct 29, 2008 at 3:07 PM, Jon Harald Søby jhsoby@gmail.com wrote:
Wikipedia is not an organization, and thus cannot be *a* non-profit.
2008/10/29 Rich Holton richholton@gmail.com
On Thu, Oct 23, 2008 at 8:45 AM, David Gerard dgerard@gmail.com wrote:
2008/10/22 Mike.lifeguard mikelifeguard@fastmail.fm:
Delphine wrote:
- The slogan "Wikipedia is a non-profit" sounds weird to me...
Well, Wikipedia itself isn't a nonprofit, the Foundation is. But "is nonprofit" and "is a nonprofit" are both acceptable in English (1st is an adjective, 2nd is a noun) so I don't see an issue with those words.
"is nonprofit" would be more strictly accurate.
- d.
It's not conclusive of anything, but interesting:
Google.com search for "is non-profit": about 90,000 "is nonprofit": about 41.200 "is a nonprofit": about 1,930,000 "is a non-profit": about 1,660,000
Of course, this doesn't take into account the context.
Perhaps "Wikipedia is a nonprofit organization" (or "non-profit organization") if you prefer. Of course, that exposes the "organisation/organization" difference.
-Rich _______________________________________________ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l
-- Jon Harald Søby http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/User:Jon_Harald_S%C3%B8by _______________________________________________ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l
On 10/29/08, Rich Holton richholton@gmail.com wrote:
Google.com search for "is non-profit": about 90,000 "is nonprofit": about 41.200 "is a nonprofit": about 1,930,000 "is a non-profit": about 1,660,000
Of course, this doesn't take into account the context.
Perhaps "Wikipedia is a nonprofit organization" (or "non-profit organization") if you prefer. Of course, that exposes the "organisation/organization" difference.
A "non-profit org8n" then...
—C.W.
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