Actually those uploading images on the Wikimedia Commons FB page are volunteers https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Commons:Social_media/Facebook (I don't think they're all listed there but probably the right place to start), I'd encourage you to talk to them directly if you think there is a problem with their uploads instead of jumping to conclusions and assuming it must be the "evil WMF" doing it and using a great thread like this to try and score some points against them.
For those interested:
I know that the verified channels which the Communication team posts on frequently (Especially the Wikimedia https://twitter.com/wikipedia & Wikipedia https://twitter.com/wikipedia twitter and the Wikipedia FB page https://www.facebook.com/wikipedia) purposely follow a set of Best Practices https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Social_media/Best_practices#On_Wikimedia_Foundation_and_Wikipedia_branded_accounts that include very explictly "Do not post media that is not either owned or co-owned by the Wikimedia Foundation (such as photos we take), in the public domain or licensed under CC0". They do occasionally post other CC images but only after getting explicit approval/permission from the copyright holder including how to attribute etc.
On a personal basis I think the inability to post most CC images on SM sites is a massive problem for the licenses as a whole (and for many free licenses). This is not only because SM sites are such a large part of modern life right now (and so we are cutting off an important audience who we WANT using free images rather then repeatedly using more closed copyrighted material, though they are still doing that now ALSO against the SM Terms of Use) but it's also because it's so befuddling to people that they generally ignore it encouraging people to ignore the licenses in general. Not only the general public but those who know the licences well think of them as designed to ALLOW sharing so the idea that they can't share them is shocking to them (so they DO share them). In fact, contrary to your accusation, I don't know of ANY other organizations that ensure they are following the SM site Terms of Use and the CC licenses when posting. I've even seen Creative Commons itself, on it's official Twitter and Facebook accounts, posting CC images against the terms.
James Alexander User:Jamesofur [Personal capacity, Staff account: Jalexander-WMF]
On Sun, May 15, 2016 at 1:55 PM, Toby Dollmann toby.dollmann@gmail.com wrote:
Peter,
You are right.and truly we are spoiled for choice
It is very satisfying to observe that some entries from professional photographers are nowadays explicitly stating their CC-BY-SA licences fo rCommons do not enable their copyrighted works to be uploaded to Facebook (and by implication to similar sites).
eg: https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/User:Cccefalon/fb
And yet, I see that the Wikimedia volunteers on Facebook blissfully uploading "Pictures of the day" ignorant of all the legalese
eg: https://www.facebook.com/Wikimedia.Commons/posts/1127382660617355:0 https://www.facebook.com/Wikimedia.Commons/posts/1120943991261222:0
Toby
On Mon, May 16, 2016 at 12:52 AM, Peter Southwood < peter.southwood@telkomsa.net> wrote:
How can one choose amongst those photos? They are all excellent. Peter
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Dear James,
A few quick points
1. I had clearly ascribed the uploading of these images to "volunteers" and not to the "evil WMF".
" .. I see that the Wikimedia volunteers on Facebook blissfully uploading ..."
2. The first image I linked to explicitly prohibits (in his CC-BY-4 permissions any uploading to FB).
.. ''It is not allowed to upload this file to Facebook''
3. My talking to other volunteers directly triggers automatic problems for the reason that Wikimedia community written policies are usually diametrically opposite to real world best practices. "Assume good faith" is a licence to abuse, and our very presence on-wiki leads to misunderstanding of legal threats being issued.
4. Additionally, legal professionals operating within EU are subject to stringent data privacy practices to maintain integrity of their electronic communications. This leads to immediate "checkuser" blocks if / when we post to Wikipedia, since our messages contain visible identification strings. For instance my corporate account was blocked on English Wiki yesterday within 4 minutes of notice to me being issued, ignoring the community policy called "CBAN" which requires a minimum of 24 hours. My request for clarification from the blocking administrator is unanswered. So I question your advising that I directly interact with volunteers (unless they have WMF issued counsel advising them).
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Toby_at_Cyberlawpractice
5. By when can we expect your OTRS confirmation that the copyright for WMF images uploaded to Commons by "G(ayle) Young (WMF)" were actually owned or co-owned by WMF as you averred ? It is curious that these WMF images were deleted on Commons, but are freely available elsewhere on responsible Social Media under WMF's licence.
https://wikipediasux.wordpress.com/2016/05/05/more-wikimedia-crossdressing-s...
regards
Toby www.cyberlawpractice.com
On 5/16/16, James Alexander jamesofur@gmail.com wrote:
Actually those uploading images on the Wikimedia Commons FB page are volunteers https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Commons:Social_media/Facebook (I don't think they're all listed there but probably the right place to start), I'd encourage you to talk to them directly if you think there is a problem with their uploads instead of jumping to conclusions and assuming it must be the "evil WMF" doing it and using a great thread like this to try and score some points against them.
For those interested:
I know that the verified channels which the Communication team posts on frequently (Especially the Wikimedia https://twitter.com/wikipedia & Wikipedia https://twitter.com/wikipedia twitter and the Wikipedia FB page https://www.facebook.com/wikipedia) purposely follow a set of Best Practices https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Social_media/Best_practices#On_Wikimedia_Foundation_and_Wikipedia_branded_accounts that include very explictly "Do not post media that is not either owned or co-owned by the Wikimedia Foundation (such as photos we take), in the public domain or licensed under CC0". They do occasionally post other CC images but only after getting explicit approval/permission from the copyright holder including how to attribute etc.
On a personal basis I think the inability to post most CC images on SM sites is a massive problem for the licenses as a whole (and for many free licenses). This is not only because SM sites are such a large part of modern life right now (and so we are cutting off an important audience who we WANT using free images rather then repeatedly using more closed copyrighted material, though they are still doing that now ALSO against the SM Terms of Use) but it's also because it's so befuddling to people that they generally ignore it encouraging people to ignore the licenses in general. Not only the general public but those who know the licences well think of them as designed to ALLOW sharing so the idea that they can't share them is shocking to them (so they DO share them). In fact, contrary to your accusation, I don't know of ANY other organizations that ensure they are following the SM site Terms of Use and the CC licenses when posting. I've even seen Creative Commons itself, on it's official Twitter and Facebook accounts, posting CC images against the terms.
James Alexander User:Jamesofur [Personal capacity, Staff account: Jalexander-WMF]
On Sun, May 15, 2016 at 1:55 PM, Toby Dollmann toby.dollmann@gmail.com wrote:
Peter,
You are right.and truly we are spoiled for choice
It is very satisfying to observe that some entries from professional photographers are nowadays explicitly stating their CC-BY-SA licences fo rCommons do not enable their copyrighted works to be uploaded to Facebook (and by implication to similar sites).
eg: https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/User:Cccefalon/fb
And yet, I see that the Wikimedia volunteers on Facebook blissfully uploading "Pictures of the day" ignorant of all the legalese
eg: https://www.facebook.com/Wikimedia.Commons/posts/1127382660617355:0 https://www.facebook.com/Wikimedia.Commons/posts/1120943991261222:0
Toby
On Mon, May 16, 2016 at 12:52 AM, Peter Southwood < peter.southwood@telkomsa.net> wrote:
How can one choose amongst those photos? They are all excellent. Peter
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As far i can see there are two volunteers listed at https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Commons:Social_media/Facebook , i talked with Yann - it wasn't him.
The second volunteer is Rodrigo.Argenton, and i am wondering who granted him access - looking at his block log i don't feel comfortable at all [1].
Opinion: A page on meta schould be created and who operates which account.
--Steinsplitter
[1] https://commons.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=Special:Log/block&page=U...
From: jamesofur@gmail.com Date: Sun, 15 May 2016 14:31:52 -0700 To: wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Subject: Re: [Wikimedia-l] Commons Picture of the Year 2015 round 2 voting has started
Actually those uploading images on the Wikimedia Commons FB page are volunteers https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Commons:Social_media/Facebook (I don't think they're all listed there but probably the right place to start), I'd encourage you to talk to them directly if you think there is a problem with their uploads instead of jumping to conclusions and assuming it must be the "evil WMF" doing it and using a great thread like this to try and score some points against them.
For those interested:
I know that the verified channels which the Communication team posts on frequently (Especially the Wikimedia https://twitter.com/wikipedia & Wikipedia https://twitter.com/wikipedia twitter and the Wikipedia FB page https://www.facebook.com/wikipedia) purposely follow a set of Best Practices https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Social_media/Best_practices#On_Wikimedia_Foundation_and_Wikipedia_branded_accounts that include very explictly "Do not post media that is not either owned or co-owned by the Wikimedia Foundation (such as photos we take), in the public domain or licensed under CC0". They do occasionally post other CC images but only after getting explicit approval/permission from the copyright holder including how to attribute etc.
On a personal basis I think the inability to post most CC images on SM sites is a massive problem for the licenses as a whole (and for many free licenses). This is not only because SM sites are such a large part of modern life right now (and so we are cutting off an important audience who we WANT using free images rather then repeatedly using more closed copyrighted material, though they are still doing that now ALSO against the SM Terms of Use) but it's also because it's so befuddling to people that they generally ignore it encouraging people to ignore the licenses in general. Not only the general public but those who know the licences well think of them as designed to ALLOW sharing so the idea that they can't share them is shocking to them (so they DO share them). In fact, contrary to your accusation, I don't know of ANY other organizations that ensure they are following the SM site Terms of Use and the CC licenses when posting. I've even seen Creative Commons itself, on it's official Twitter and Facebook accounts, posting CC images against the terms.
James Alexander User:Jamesofur [Personal capacity, Staff account: Jalexander-WMF]
On Sun, May 15, 2016 at 1:55 PM, Toby Dollmann toby.dollmann@gmail.com wrote:
Peter,
You are right.and truly we are spoiled for choice
It is very satisfying to observe that some entries from professional photographers are nowadays explicitly stating their CC-BY-SA licences fo rCommons do not enable their copyrighted works to be uploaded to Facebook (and by implication to similar sites).
eg: https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/User:Cccefalon/fb
And yet, I see that the Wikimedia volunteers on Facebook blissfully uploading "Pictures of the day" ignorant of all the legalese
eg: https://www.facebook.com/Wikimedia.Commons/posts/1127382660617355:0 https://www.facebook.com/Wikimedia.Commons/posts/1120943991261222:0
Toby
On Mon, May 16, 2016 at 12:52 AM, Peter Southwood < peter.southwood@telkomsa.net> wrote:
How can one choose amongst those photos? They are all excellent. Peter
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On Mon, May 16, 2016 at 2:07 PM, Steinsplitter Wiki steinsplitter-wiki@live.com wrote:
As far i can see there are two volunteers listed at https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Commons:Social_media/Facebook , i talked with Yann - it wasn't him.
Umm, didnt we have a larger team of volunteers who managed the Commons page? IIRC, WMF removed them all, and I assume the WMF now determines who has access to the account.
The second volunteer is Rodrigo.Argenton, and i am wondering who granted him access - looking at his block log i don't feel comfortable at all [1].
[1] https://commons.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=Special:Log/block&page=U...
Also blocked indefinitely on br.wikimedia.org by Teles with a curious block message (sincronizando com bloqueio em conta principal).
https://br.wikimedia.org/wiki/Especial:Contribui%C3%A7%C3%B5es/Rodrigo.Argen...
Hopefully that can be cleared up.
Yann & Rodrigo should be able to say who posted these, as all managers can see which manager authored each post on the page.
https://www.facebook.com/Wikimedia.Commons/posts/1127382660617355:0 https://www.facebook.com/Wikimedia.Commons/posts/1120943991261222:0
Obviously the media licensing needs to be followed carefully by whoever is a Facebook manager.
-- John Vandenberg
I agree about the meta discussion, but maybe not just about this account. It is an issue for all platform-related web accounts, in the end. If there is nothing else that page would be kinda of a "precedent" of the issue at meta level. I have been trying to learn more about it actually, but I faced on wiki platforms a very fragmented scenario. The reason I am looking around is because I've tried to discuss some similar aspects in the mailing list of WM Italy last week. I was talking about existing and potential facebook groups regarding local areas (such as "region X on wikipedia"), which are useful to attract new editors, contacts (local associations, aldermen...) or contents. Now, it seems to me that some aspects apply to the general case of social accounts "related" to main WMF platforms. Just an example: I pointed out for example how the presence amongst the volunteers or managers of users with advanced flag (e.g. OTRS permission in my example) would be useful in some circumstances. We should really promote a request for comments on the issue. It would be very interesting and help to share valuable expertise.
Il Lunedì 16 Maggio 2016 9:08, Steinsplitter Wiki steinsplitter-wiki@live.com ha scritto:
As far i can see there are two volunteers listed at https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Commons:Social_media/Facebook , i talked with Yann - it wasn't him.
The second volunteer is Rodrigo.Argenton, and i am wondering who granted him access - looking at his block log i don't feel comfortable at all [1].
Opinion: A page on meta schould be created and who operates which account.
--Steinsplitter
[1] https://commons.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=Special:Log/block&page=U...
From: jamesofur@gmail.com Date: Sun, 15 May 2016 14:31:52 -0700 To: wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Subject: Re: [Wikimedia-l] Commons Picture of the Year 2015 round 2 voting has started
Actually those uploading images on the Wikimedia Commons FB page are volunteers https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Commons:Social_media/Facebook (I don't think they're all listed there but probably the right place to start), I'd encourage you to talk to them directly if you think there is a problem with their uploads instead of jumping to conclusions and assuming it must be the "evil WMF" doing it and using a great thread like this to try and score some points against them.
For those interested:
I know that the verified channels which the Communication team posts on frequently (Especially the Wikimedia https://twitter.com/wikipedia & Wikipedia https://twitter.com/wikipedia twitter and the Wikipedia FB page https://www.facebook.com/wikipedia) purposely follow a set of Best Practices https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Social_media/Best_practices#On_Wikimedia_Foundation_and_Wikipedia_branded_accounts that include very explictly "Do not post media that is not either owned or co-owned by the Wikimedia Foundation (such as photos we take), in the public domain or licensed under CC0". They do occasionally post other CC images but only after getting explicit approval/permission from the copyright holder including how to attribute etc.
On a personal basis I think the inability to post most CC images on SM sites is a massive problem for the licenses as a whole (and for many free licenses). This is not only because SM sites are such a large part of modern life right now (and so we are cutting off an important audience who we WANT using free images rather then repeatedly using more closed copyrighted material, though they are still doing that now ALSO against the SM Terms of Use) but it's also because it's so befuddling to people that they generally ignore it encouraging people to ignore the licenses in general. Not only the general public but those who know the licences well think of them as designed to ALLOW sharing so the idea that they can't share them is shocking to them (so they DO share them). In fact, contrary to your accusation, I don't know of ANY other organizations that ensure they are following the SM site Terms of Use and the CC licenses when posting. I've even seen Creative Commons itself, on it's official Twitter and Facebook accounts, posting CC images against the terms.
James Alexander User:Jamesofur [Personal capacity, Staff account: Jalexander-WMF]
On Sun, May 15, 2016 at 1:55 PM, Toby Dollmann toby.dollmann@gmail.com wrote:
Peter,
You are right.and truly we are spoiled for choice
It is very satisfying to observe that some entries from professional photographers are nowadays explicitly stating their CC-BY-SA licences fo rCommons do not enable their copyrighted works to be uploaded to Facebook (and by implication to similar sites).
eg: https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/User:Cccefalon/fb
And yet, I see that the Wikimedia volunteers on Facebook blissfully uploading "Pictures of the day" ignorant of all the legalese
eg: https://www.facebook.com/Wikimedia.Commons/posts/1127382660617355:0 https://www.facebook.com/Wikimedia.Commons/posts/1120943991261222:0
Toby
On Mon, May 16, 2016 at 12:52 AM, Peter Southwood < peter.southwood@telkomsa.net> wrote:
How can one choose amongst those photos? They are all excellent. Peter
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Hi,
Actually I don't control the FB page. I was just interested to spread awareness of Wikimedia Commons on Facebook.
Regards,
Yann
2016-05-16 9:07 GMT+02:00 Steinsplitter Wiki steinsplitter-wiki@live.com:
As far i can see there are two volunteers listed at https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Commons:Social_media/Facebook , i talked with Yann - it wasn't him.
The second volunteer is Rodrigo.Argenton, and i am wondering who granted him access - looking at his block log i don't feel comfortable at all [1].
Opinion: A page on meta schould be created and who operates which account.
--Steinsplitter
[1] https://commons.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=Special:Log/block&page=U...
From: jamesofur@gmail.com Date: Sun, 15 May 2016 14:31:52 -0700 To: wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Subject: Re: [Wikimedia-l] Commons Picture of the Year 2015 round 2
voting has started
Actually those uploading images on the Wikimedia Commons FB page are volunteers https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Commons:Social_media/Facebook (I
don't
think they're all listed there but probably the right place to start),
I'd
encourage you to talk to them directly if you think there is a problem
with
their uploads instead of jumping to conclusions and assuming it must be
the
"evil WMF" doing it and using a great thread like this to try and score some points against them.
For those interested:
I know that the verified channels which the Communication team posts on frequently (Especially the Wikimedia https://twitter.com/wikipedia & Wikipedia https://twitter.com/wikipedia twitter and the Wikipedia FB
page
https://www.facebook.com/wikipedia) purposely follow a set of Best Practices <
https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Social_media/Best_practices#On_Wikimedia_Fou...
that include very explictly "Do not post media that is not either owned
or
co-owned by the Wikimedia Foundation (such as photos we take), in the public domain or licensed under CC0". They do occasionally post other CC images but only after getting explicit approval/permission from the copyright holder including how to attribute etc.
On a personal basis I think the inability to post most CC images on SM sites is a massive problem for the licenses as a whole (and for many free licenses). This is not only because SM sites are such a large part of modern life right now (and so we are cutting off an important audience
who
we WANT using free images rather then repeatedly using more closed copyrighted material, though they are still doing that now ALSO against
the
SM Terms of Use) but it's also because it's so befuddling to people that they generally ignore it encouraging people to ignore the licenses in general. Not only the general public but those who know the licences well think of them as designed to ALLOW sharing so the idea that they can't share them is shocking to them (so they DO share them). In fact, contrary to your accusation, I don't know of ANY other organizations that ensure they are following the SM site Terms of Use and the CC licenses when posting. I've even seen Creative Commons itself, on it's official Twitter and Facebook accounts, posting CC images against the terms.
James Alexander User:Jamesofur [Personal capacity, Staff account: Jalexander-WMF]
On Sun, May 15, 2016 at 1:55 PM, Toby Dollmann toby.dollmann@gmail.com wrote:
Peter,
You are right.and truly we are spoiled for choice
It is very satisfying to observe that some entries from professional photographers are nowadays explicitly stating their CC-BY-SA licences
fo
rCommons do not enable their copyrighted works to be uploaded to
(and by implication to similar sites).
eg: https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/User:Cccefalon/fb
And yet, I see that the Wikimedia volunteers on Facebook blissfully uploading "Pictures of the day" ignorant of all the legalese
eg: https://www.facebook.com/Wikimedia.Commons/posts/1127382660617355:0 https://www.facebook.com/Wikimedia.Commons/posts/1120943991261222:0
Toby
On Mon, May 16, 2016 at 12:52 AM, Peter Southwood < peter.southwood@telkomsa.net> wrote:
How can one choose amongst those photos? They are all excellent. Peter
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Hi,
The FB page owners are Ricky Setiawan and Jens Liebenau.
Ricky Setiawan is Member of the Board of Trustees at Wikimedia Indonesia.
https://www.facebook.com/Wikimedia.Commons/info/?tab=page_owners
Regards,
Yann
2016-05-16 10:18 GMT+02:00 Yann Forget yannfo@gmail.com:
Hi,
Actually I don't control the FB page. I was just interested to spread awareness of Wikimedia Commons on Facebook.
Regards,
Yann
2016-05-16 9:07 GMT+02:00 Steinsplitter Wiki steinsplitter-wiki@live.com :
As far i can see there are two volunteers listed at https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Commons:Social_media/Facebook , i talked with Yann - it wasn't him.
The second volunteer is Rodrigo.Argenton, and i am wondering who granted him access - looking at his block log i don't feel comfortable at all [1].
Opinion: A page on meta schould be created and who operates which account.
--Steinsplitter
[1] https://commons.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=Special:Log/block&page=U...
From: jamesofur@gmail.com Date: Sun, 15 May 2016 14:31:52 -0700 To: wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Subject: Re: [Wikimedia-l] Commons Picture of the Year 2015 round 2
voting has started
Actually those uploading images on the Wikimedia Commons FB page are volunteers https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Commons:Social_media/Facebook (I
don't
think they're all listed there but probably the right place to start),
I'd
encourage you to talk to them directly if you think there is a problem
with
their uploads instead of jumping to conclusions and assuming it must be
the
"evil WMF" doing it and using a great thread like this to try and score some points against them.
For those interested:
I know that the verified channels which the Communication team posts on frequently (Especially the Wikimedia https://twitter.com/wikipedia & Wikipedia https://twitter.com/wikipedia twitter and the Wikipedia FB
page
https://www.facebook.com/wikipedia) purposely follow a set of Best Practices <
https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Social_media/Best_practices#On_Wikimedia_Fou...
that include very explictly "Do not post media that is not either owned
or
co-owned by the Wikimedia Foundation (such as photos we take), in the public domain or licensed under CC0". They do occasionally post other CC images but only after getting explicit approval/permission from the copyright holder including how to attribute etc.
On a personal basis I think the inability to post most CC images on SM sites is a massive problem for the licenses as a whole (and for many
free
licenses). This is not only because SM sites are such a large part of modern life right now (and so we are cutting off an important audience
who
we WANT using free images rather then repeatedly using more closed copyrighted material, though they are still doing that now ALSO against
the
SM Terms of Use) but it's also because it's so befuddling to people that they generally ignore it encouraging people to ignore the licenses in general. Not only the general public but those who know the licences
well
think of them as designed to ALLOW sharing so the idea that they can't share them is shocking to them (so they DO share them). In fact,
contrary
to your accusation, I don't know of ANY other organizations that ensure they are following the SM site Terms of Use and the CC licenses when posting. I've even seen Creative Commons itself, on it's official
and Facebook accounts, posting CC images against the terms.
James Alexander User:Jamesofur [Personal capacity, Staff account: Jalexander-WMF]
On Sun, May 15, 2016 at 1:55 PM, Toby Dollmann <toby.dollmann@gmail.com
wrote:
Peter,
You are right.and truly we are spoiled for choice
It is very satisfying to observe that some entries from professional photographers are nowadays explicitly stating their CC-BY-SA licences
fo
rCommons do not enable their copyrighted works to be uploaded to
(and by implication to similar sites).
eg: https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/User:Cccefalon/fb
And yet, I see that the Wikimedia volunteers on Facebook blissfully uploading "Pictures of the day" ignorant of all the legalese
eg: https://www.facebook.com/Wikimedia.Commons/posts/1127382660617355:0 https://www.facebook.com/Wikimedia.Commons/posts/1120943991261222:0
Toby
On Mon, May 16, 2016 at 12:52 AM, Peter Southwood < peter.southwood@telkomsa.net> wrote:
How can one choose amongst those photos? They are all excellent. Peter
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voting
has
started
Commons Picture of the Year 2015 round 2 voting has started: https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Commons:Picture_of_the_Year/2015
.
There are many excellent finalists.
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