Sue wrote:
It is asking me to do something. But it is not asking me to do the specific thing that has been discussed over the past several months, and which the Germans voted against.
I may translate: As the German community has voted against filters, I was ordered to circumvent this vote by making some adjustments to the wording.
That will not work. The vote was very clear agaist all image filters. The referendum was a farce, as we clearly see.
Sorry, somebody is playing games with us.
On 10 October 2011 11:56, Möller, Carsten c.moeller@wmco.de wrote:
Sue wrote:
It is asking me to do something. But it is not asking me to do the specific thing that has been discussed over the past several months, and which the Germans voted against.
I may translate: As the German community has voted against filters, I was ordered to circumvent this vote by making some adjustments to the wording.
That will not work. The vote was very clear agaist all image filters. The referendum was a farce, as we clearly see.
Sorry, somebody is playing games with us.
Truly, Carsten, nobody is playing games with you. The Board's discussion was sincere and thoughtful.
This is how the system is supposed to work. The Board identified a problem; the staff hacked together a proposed solution, and we asked the community what it thought. Now, we're responding to the input and we're going to iterate. This is how it's supposed to work: we mutually influence each other.
I'm not saying it isn't messy and awkward and flawed in many respects: it absolutely is. But nobody is playing games with you. The Board is sincere. It is taking seriously the German community, and the others who have thoughtfully opposed the filter.
The right thing to do now is to accept the olive branch, and work with the Wikimedia Foundation to figure out a good solution. You want to train the Wikimedia Foundation that listening to you is the path to a successful outcome :-)
Thanks, Sue
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* Sue Gardner wrote:
This is how the system is supposed to work. The Board identified a problem; the staff hacked together a proposed solution, and we asked the community what it thought. Now, we're responding to the input and we're going to iterate. This is how it's supposed to work: we mutually influence each other.
The Board asked you to develop this feature in consultation with the community. The manner in which you chose to do that has led to parts of the community discussing the best way to split from the community.
I'm not saying it isn't messy and awkward and flawed in many respects: it absolutely is. But nobody is playing games with you. The Board is sincere. It is taking seriously the German community, and the others who have thoughtfully opposed the filter.
http://lists.wikimedia.org/pipermail/foundation-l/2011-June/066624.html
The Wikimedia Foundation, at the direction of the Board of Trustees, will be holding a vote to determine whether members of the community support the creation and usage of an opt-in personal image filter
Funny correlation: all polls about the image filter that explained the pros and cons to voters found voters overwhelmingly opposed to it.
+1
h
Am 11.10.2011 03:20, schrieb Bjoern Hoehrmann:
- Sue Gardner wrote:
This is how the system is supposed to work. The Board identified a problem; the staff hacked together a proposed solution, and we asked the community what it thought. Now, we're responding to the input and we're going to iterate. This is how it's supposed to work: we mutually influence each other.
The Board asked you to develop this feature in consultation with the community. The manner in which you chose to do that has led to parts of the community discussing the best way to split from the community.
I'm not saying it isn't messy and awkward and flawed in many respects: it absolutely is. But nobody is playing games with you. The Board is sincere. It is taking seriously the German community, and the others who have thoughtfully opposed the filter.
http://lists.wikimedia.org/pipermail/foundation-l/2011-June/066624.html
The Wikimedia Foundation, at the direction of the Board of Trustees, will be holding a vote to determine whether members of the community support the creation and usage of an opt-in personal image filter
Funny correlation: all polls about the image filter that explained the pros and cons to voters found voters overwhelmingly opposed to it.
Am 10.10.2011 21:16, schrieb Sue Gardner:
On 10 October 2011 11:56, Möller, Carsten c.moeller@wmco.de wrote:
Sue wrote:
It is asking me to do something. But it is not asking me to do the specific thing that has been discussed over the past several months, and which the Germans voted against.
I may translate: As the German community has voted against filters, I was ordered to circumvent this vote by making some adjustments to the wording.
That will not work. The vote was very clear agaist all image filters. The referendum was a farce, as we clearly see.
Sorry, somebody is playing games with us.
Truly, Carsten, nobody is playing games with you. The Board's discussion was sincere and thoughtful.
Maybe, but for me, it is absolutely unserious, to start an survey without the basic question:
1. Filter or not? 2. who will do the work and manage the war inside Commons, when unknown persons and groups, up to this point entirely unknown, called from the strangest organizations, will start the crusade to improve the world!
This is how the system is supposed to work. The Board identified a problem; the staff hacked together a proposed solution, and we asked the community what it thought. Now, we're responding to the input and we're going to iterate. This is how it's supposed to work: we mutually influence each other.
sounds good, but you did´nt act like that! This is just theory!
I'm not saying it isn't messy and awkward and flawed in many respects: it absolutely is. But nobody is playing games with you. The Board is sincere. It is taking seriously the German community, and the others who have thoughtfully opposed the filter.
I just read from the board: The decision is fixed, there will be a filter worldwide, no exceptions allowed.
thanks
h
80.000 edits in the last seven years. Spending thousands of hours to support the project. And not only by editing!
The right thing to do now is to accept the olive branch, and work with the Wikimedia Foundation to figure out a good solution. You want to train the Wikimedia Foundation that listening to you is the path to a successful outcome :-)
Thanks, Sue
--
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415 839 6885 office 415 816 9967 cell
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