I agree with this. A permanently visible but reasonably small and unobtrusive edit button
that opens into visual editor could be a way to do this.
Cheers,
Peter
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From: Wikimedia-l [mailto:wikimedia-l-bounces@lists.wikimedia.org] On Behalf Of Gerard
Meijssen
Sent: Thursday, 31 March 2016 5:08 PM
To: Wikimedia Mailing List
Subject: Re: [Wikimedia-l] Wikiwand
Hoi,
When we recognise that an editor has different needs we should provide editors with
different tools. Readers in turn do not need all the tools of editors but we do want to
convert them to editors. It does not follow that they will be enticed to become one by all
the clutter.
The objective is therefore to invite them in a less cluttered way and give them the option
to enable the "clutter" an editor needs. This can be done in different ways.. It
just takes the recognition what it is we want and need and that one size fits all is plain
stupid.
Thanks,
GerardM
On 31 March 2016 at 16:52, WereSpielChequers <werespielchequers(a)gmail.com>
wrote:
I don't know about the WMF's position re
Wikiwand, but I see Wikiwand
as a more reader friendly way to view Wikipedia. We have far more
readers than editors so in some sense this is a good thing. I can
understand a reader being more interested in seeing the table of
contents in the left hand margin than a bunch of links to "recent
changes" and even "what links here". But the more you hide the various
functions that are of interest to editors the more difficult it
becomes to recruit editors from amongst our readership, and in the
long run without new editors we can't maintain the site. Despite many
attempts we don't yet have a viable alternative way of recruiting new
editors other than the edit buttons on our sites, so any attempt to
make the editing features less obvious is a threat to our future
The problem is that most designers don't like clutter, and to a non
editor many of the bits of the interface that are most useful to
editors are clutter. I'm not sure what the solution is to this. One
possibility would be a more gradualised interface, one that always
shows you one or more editing options than you have used, and ideally
different ones or in different form so you notice them. I seem to
remember some successful tests a while back that simply modified the
edit button to make it more prominent or even just different. In
theory simply changing the edit button to so that for a month IPs see
it as "fix this" or "correct an error" should stop people mentally
blanking the edit button out as part of the furniture.
We also have a problem that some of our metrics value visits to
Wikimedia sites above viewing Wikimedia content on mirrors such as
WikiWand. We've had a similar problem in the GLAM program trying to
convince museums etc that such a view is illogical and if your mission
is to make content available to all humanity you should value hits to
your content on mirrors equally to hits to that same content on your
own website. Hopefully it is just a historic problem that will recede
as it becomes easier to get metrics that include mirrors, but it is a
barrier that prevents some GLAMS from sharing media onto Wikimedia
Commons and hugely ironic that we have the problem ourselves in our own metrics.
Jonathan / WereSpielChequers
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Date: Thu, 31 Mar 2016 08:39:46 +0200
From: Anders Wennersten <mail(a)anderswennersten.se>
To: Wikimedia Mailing List <wikimedia-l(a)lists.wikimedia.org>
Subject: [Wikimedia-l] Wikiwand
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What is WMFs position on Wikiwand [1]?
is it a complement or a commercial run interface that is better
that we can offer?
Anders
[1]
http://www.wikiwand.com/about
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