Greetings,
Introducing myself, I am Krishna Chaitanya Velaga from Andhra Pradesh, India. My user name is "Krishna Chaitanya Velaga", I've been actively contributing to en Wikipedia and Commons since December 2014. I also form the Executive Committee of Wikimedia Chapter (India). My mother tongue is Telugu (te).
A Telugu movie titled Paisa Vasool https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paisa_Vasool_(2017_film) was released on 1 September 2017. In the movie, male lead boasts himself by referring to Wikipedia. His statement in the movie is as follows: *"36 brawls, 24 murders, 36 stabbings, This is visible record in Wikipedia" *(The same may be observed from the trailer of the movie, between 0:22 to 0:32 at https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vVUZ-jG_i3c). As far I am concerned I feel this as serious defamation of the brand, the community and the work we do. It really degrades the reality and the efforts we put to produce encyclopedic content to the readers.
In this context, I request the community to take interest in their to voice their opinions, and also discuss any legal action to be enforced.
Regards,
[image: photo] *Krishna Chaitanya Velaga* Member | Executive Committee http://wiki.wikimedia.in/Executive_Committee_Members Wikimedia Chapter (India) http://wiki.wikimedia.in/ +91 94948 65420 | kcvelaga.blogspot.in
We should sue Billy the Kid while we are at it. And Hitler... Imagine the bragging he does down in Hell.
Fred
----- Original Message ----- From: Krishna Chaitanya Velaga kcvelaga@wikimedia.in To: wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Sent: Sun, 17 Sep 2017 11:45:36 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [Wikimedia-l] Defamation of Wikipedia in a Telugu (te) Motion Picture
Greetings,
Introducing myself, I am Krishna Chaitanya Velaga from Andhra Pradesh, India. My user name is "Krishna Chaitanya Velaga", I've been actively contributing to en Wikipedia and Commons since December 2014. I also form the Executive Committee of Wikimedia Chapter (India). My mother tongue is Telugu (te).
A Telugu movie titled Paisa Vasool https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paisa_Vasool_(2017_film) was released on 1 September 2017. In the movie, male lead boasts himself by referring to Wikipedia. His statement in the movie is as follows: *"36 brawls, 24 murders, 36 stabbings, This is visible record in Wikipedia" *(The same may be observed from the trailer of the movie, between 0:22 to 0:32 at https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vVUZ-jG_i3c). As far I am concerned I feel this as serious defamation of the brand, the community and the work we do. It really degrades the reality and the efforts we put to produce encyclopedic content to the readers.
In this context, I request the community to take interest in their to voice their opinions, and also discuss any legal action to be enforced.
Regards,
[image: photo] *Krishna Chaitanya Velaga* Member | Executive Committee http://wiki.wikimedia.in/Executive_Committee_Members Wikimedia Chapter (India) http://wiki.wikimedia.in/ +91 94948 65420 | kcvelaga.blogspot.in _______________________________________________ Wikimedia-l mailing list, guidelines at: https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines and https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia-l New messages to: Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, mailto:wikimedia-l-request@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe
Hi, Krishna.
First of all, this isn't "defamation", which is a precise legal term, that is best not bandied about too lightly.
Secondly, Wikipedia is mentioned often in popular media these days, not always in a very factual manner. It is hard to imagine such casual mentions have any significant impact on the Wikipedia brand. It is precisely Wikipedia's ubiquity in Internet-connected people's lives that makes it possible to refer to it in such ways.
Thirdly, legal action is always expensive and sometimes risky. It follows that we need a very good reason to undertake the expense and (sometimes) risk. This does not look like an important thing to spend our resources on.
Cheers,
Asaf
On Tue, Sep 26, 2017 at 7:05 PM Krishna Chaitanya Velaga < kcvelaga@wikimedia.in> wrote:
Greetings,
Introducing myself, I am Krishna Chaitanya Velaga from Andhra Pradesh, India. My user name is "Krishna Chaitanya Velaga", I've been actively contributing to en Wikipedia and Commons since December 2014. I also form the Executive Committee of Wikimedia Chapter (India). My mother tongue is Telugu (te).
A Telugu movie titled Paisa Vasool https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paisa_Vasool_(2017_film) was released on 1 September 2017. In the movie, male lead boasts himself by referring to Wikipedia. His statement in the movie is as follows: *"36 brawls, 24 murders, 36 stabbings, This is visible record in Wikipedia" *(The same may be observed from the trailer of the movie, between 0:22 to 0:32 at https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vVUZ-jG_i3c). As far I am concerned I feel this as serious defamation of the brand, the community and the work we do. It really degrades the reality and the efforts we put to produce encyclopedic content to the readers.
In this context, I request the community to take interest in their to voice their opinions, and also discuss any legal action to be enforced.
Regards,
[image: photo] *Krishna Chaitanya Velaga* Member | Executive Committee http://wiki.wikimedia.in/Executive_Committee_Members Wikimedia Chapter (India) http://wiki.wikimedia.in/ +91 94948 65420 <+91%2094948%2065420> | kcvelaga.blogspot.in _______________________________________________ Wikimedia-l mailing list, guidelines at: https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines and https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia-l New messages to: Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, mailto:wikimedia-l-request@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe
I must agree with Asaf here. Fwiw, this isn't a defamatory and I think legal action should be restricted to serious issues.
Regards,
Isaac.
On Sep 26, 2017 7:09 PM, "Asaf Bartov" abartov@wikimedia.org wrote:
Hi, Krishna.
First of all, this isn't "defamation", which is a precise legal term, that is best not bandied about too lightly.
Secondly, Wikipedia is mentioned often in popular media these days, not always in a very factual manner. It is hard to imagine such casual mentions have any significant impact on the Wikipedia brand. It is precisely Wikipedia's ubiquity in Internet-connected people's lives that makes it possible to refer to it in such ways.
Thirdly, legal action is always expensive and sometimes risky. It follows that we need a very good reason to undertake the expense and (sometimes) risk. This does not look like an important thing to spend our resources on.
Cheers,
AsafOn Tue, Sep 26, 2017 at 7:05 PM Krishna Chaitanya Velaga < kcvelaga@wikimedia.in> wrote:
Greetings,
Introducing myself, I am Krishna Chaitanya Velaga from Andhra Pradesh, India. My user name is "Krishna Chaitanya Velaga", I've been actively contributing to en Wikipedia and Commons since December 2014. I also form the Executive Committee of Wikimedia Chapter (India). My mother tongue is Telugu (te).
A Telugu movie titled Paisa Vasool https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paisa_Vasool_(2017_film) was released
on 1
September 2017. In the movie, male lead boasts himself by referring to Wikipedia. His statement in the movie is as follows: *"36 brawls, 24 murders, 36 stabbings, This is visible record in Wikipedia" *(The same
may
be observed from the trailer of the movie, between 0:22 to 0:32 at https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vVUZ-jG_i3c). As far I am concerned I
feel
this as serious defamation of the brand, the community and the work we
do.
It really degrades the reality and the efforts we put to produce encyclopedic content to the readers.
In this context, I request the community to take interest in their to
voice
their opinions, and also discuss any legal action to be enforced.
Regards,
[image: photo] *Krishna Chaitanya Velaga* Member | Executive Committee http://wiki.wikimedia.in/Executive_Committee_Members Wikimedia Chapter (India) http://wiki.wikimedia.in/ +91 94948 65420 <+91%2094948%2065420> | kcvelaga.blogspot.in _______________________________________________ Wikimedia-l mailing list, guidelines at: https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines and https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia-l New messages to: Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, mailto:wikimedia-l-request@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe
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It looks like the publisher created a hoax/in-universe article about the main character of the movie, which is what the trailer is referring to: https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Special:Undelete&target=Theda...
Not cool but still not a defamation.
Hi,
On Sun, 17 Sep 2017 21:15:36 +0530 Krishna Chaitanya Velaga kcvelaga@wikimedia.in wrote:
Greetings,
Introducing myself, I am Krishna Chaitanya Velaga from Andhra Pradesh, India. My user name is "Krishna Chaitanya Velaga", I've been actively contributing to en Wikipedia and Commons since December 2014. I also form the Executive Committee of Wikimedia Chapter (India). My mother tongue is Telugu (te).
A Telugu movie titled Paisa Vasool https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paisa_Vasool_(2017_film) was released on 1 September 2017. In the movie, male lead boasts himself by referring to Wikipedia. His statement in the movie is as follows: *"36 brawls, 24 murders, 36 stabbings, This is visible record in Wikipedia" *(The same may be observed from the trailer of the movie, between 0:22 to 0:32 at https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vVUZ-jG_i3c). As far I am concerned I feel this as serious defamation of the brand, the community and the work we do. It really degrades the reality and the efforts we put to produce encyclopedic content to the readers.
In this context, I request the community to take interest in their to voice their opinions, and also discuss any legal action to be enforced.
I don't see what the big deal is. Since this is a work of fiction, it may misrepresent facts and reality and its users are expected to know better than to depend of it as a source.
If we try to censor this film, then it will be an act of https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Censorship which i and other free content advocates dislike. If instead we sue for damages, then we will come out as bullies. Also see https://www.phrases.org.uk/meanings/there-is-no-such-thing-as-bad-publicity.... and http://www.veronikanoize.com/is_all_publicity_good_ . Don't worry - be happy.
Hi
On Sun, Sep 17, 2017 at 9:15 PM, Krishna Chaitanya Velaga < kcvelaga@wikimedia.in> wrote:
Greetings,
Introducing myself, I am Krishna Chaitanya Velaga from Andhra Pradesh, India. My user name is "Krishna Chaitanya Velaga", I've been actively contributing to en Wikipedia and Commons since December 2014. I also form the Executive Committee of Wikimedia Chapter (India). My mother tongue is Telugu (te).
A Telugu movie titled Paisa Vasool https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paisa_Vasool_(2017_film) was released on 1 September 2017. In the movie, male lead boasts himself by referring to Wikipedia. His statement in the movie is as follows: *"36 brawls, 24 murders, 36 stabbings, This is visible record in Wikipedia" *(The same may be observed from the trailer of the movie, between 0:22 to 0:32 at https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vVUZ-jG_i3c). As far I am concerned I feel this as serious defamation of the brand, the community and the work we do. It really degrades the reality and the efforts we put to produce encyclopedic content to the readers.
In this context, I request the community to take interest in their to voice their opinions, and also discuss any legal action to be enforced.
There is some misunderstanding. The character claims he has a record of brawls, murders etc as per Wikipedia. It does not say anything negative about Wikipedia.
Regards Arjuna Rao Chavala
Introducing myself, I am Swapnil Karambelkar from Madhya Pradesh, India. My user name is "Swapnil.Karambelkar", I've been actively contributing to en Wikipedia and Commons,recently i and our hindi wiki community came to know about following link which is copy of Hindi wikipedia also using WMF logos,etc.it seems to be violating the norms,please comment and look into the matter .
On Mon, Oct 2, 2017 at 3:50 PM, Arjuna Rao Chavala arjunaraoc@gmail.com wrote:
Hi
On Sun, Sep 17, 2017 at 9:15 PM, Krishna Chaitanya Velaga < kcvelaga@wikimedia.in> wrote:
Greetings,
Introducing myself, I am Krishna Chaitanya Velaga from Andhra Pradesh, India. My user name is "Krishna Chaitanya Velaga", I've been actively contributing to en Wikipedia and Commons since December 2014. I also form the Executive Committee of Wikimedia Chapter (India). My mother tongue is Telugu (te).
A Telugu movie titled Paisa Vasool https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paisa_Vasool_(2017_film) was released
on 1
September 2017. In the movie, male lead boasts himself by referring to Wikipedia. His statement in the movie is as follows: *"36 brawls, 24 murders, 36 stabbings, This is visible record in Wikipedia" *(The same
may
be observed from the trailer of the movie, between 0:22 to 0:32 at https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vVUZ-jG_i3c). As far I am concerned I
feel
this as serious defamation of the brand, the community and the work we
do.
It really degrades the reality and the efforts we put to produce encyclopedic content to the readers.
In this context, I request the community to take interest in their to
voice
their opinions, and also discuss any legal action to be enforced.
There is some misunderstanding. The character claims he has a record of brawls, murders etc as per Wikipedia. It does not say anything negative about Wikipedia.
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On 5 October 2017 at 12:34, Swapnil Karambelkar swapnil.tps@gmail.com wrote:
copy of Hindi wikipedia also using WMF logos,etc.it seems to be violating the norms,please comment and look into the matter .
Not just hi.Wikipedia - see, for example, https://en.bywiki.com/wiki/Main_Page
bywiki.com is registered to Chengdu West Dimension Digital Technology Co., Ltd. with a contact address in China:
https://www.whois.com/whois/bywiki.com
This may be a mirror site intended to bypass censorship, but in any case is a matter for the Wikimedia foundation.
It is a beautifully done copy of Wikipedia. The history tab, talk pages, and user pages all work and thus appropriate attribution is present. The content is up to date. My IP is blocked so not sure how well editing works.
This mirror gives me greater concern https://everipedia.org/ in that they do not provide attribution to the authors of the content.
James
On Thu, Oct 5, 2017 at 7:05 AM, Andy Mabbett andy@pigsonthewing.org.uk wrote:
On 5 October 2017 at 12:34, Swapnil Karambelkar swapnil.tps@gmail.com wrote:
copy of Hindi wikipedia also using WMF logos,etc.it seems to be violating the norms,please comment and look into the matter .
Not just hi.Wikipedia - see, for example, https://en.bywiki.com/wiki/Main_Page
bywiki.com is registered to Chengdu West Dimension Digital Technology Co., Ltd. with a contact address in China:
https://www.whois.com/whois/bywiki.com
This may be a mirror site intended to bypass censorship, but in any case is a matter for the Wikimedia foundation.
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To add to my prior comments, while bywiki.com is very well put together there are trademark issues that need to be addressed. Plus the log-in setup could confuse Wikipedians into giving away their user name and password. I will pass this along to legal and hopefully we can get the site to address these issues.
James
On Thu, Oct 5, 2017 at 10:28 AM, James Heilman jmh649@gmail.com wrote:
It is a beautifully done copy of Wikipedia. The history tab, talk pages, and user pages all work and thus appropriate attribution is present. The content is up to date. My IP is blocked so not sure how well editing works.
This mirror gives me greater concern https://everipedia.org/ in that they do not provide attribution to the authors of the content.
James
On Thu, Oct 5, 2017 at 7:05 AM, Andy Mabbett andy@pigsonthewing.org.uk wrote:
On 5 October 2017 at 12:34, Swapnil Karambelkar swapnil.tps@gmail.com wrote:
copy of Hindi wikipedia also using WMF logos,etc.it seems to be violating the norms,please comment and look into the matter .
Not just hi.Wikipedia - see, for example, https://en.bywiki.com/wiki/Main_Page
bywiki.com is registered to Chengdu West Dimension Digital Technology Co., Ltd. with a contact address in China:
https://www.whois.com/whois/bywiki.com
This may be a mirror site intended to bypass censorship, but in any case is a matter for the Wikimedia foundation.
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I opened devtools here and this is what I could gather,
bywiki.com seems to be a very thin layer over wikimedia itself. The first calls are to bywiki domain (and seem to be actually cached from wikimedia servers with some extra added code, including added advertisement with a bidvertiser script).
Many js scripts make calls directly to wikimedia servers, including scripts to check for session validity and sessions from other projects. While it does not seem malicious, I don't trust due to the lack of an explanation and trademark violation issues.
Their ips seem to be globally blocked, the calls to edit will be seem from wikimedia servers as coming from them and are (all the times I tested, blocked).
Chico Venancio
2017-10-05 13:41 GMT-03:00 James Heilman jmh649@gmail.com:
To add to my prior comments, while bywiki.com is very well put together there are trademark issues that need to be addressed. Plus the log-in setup could confuse Wikipedians into giving away their user name and password. I will pass this along to legal and hopefully we can get the site to address these issues.
James
On Thu, Oct 5, 2017 at 10:28 AM, James Heilman jmh649@gmail.com wrote:
It is a beautifully done copy of Wikipedia. The history tab, talk pages, and user pages all work and thus appropriate attribution is present. The content is up to date. My IP is blocked so not sure how well editing works.
This mirror gives me greater concern https://everipedia.org/ in that they do not provide attribution to the authors of the content.
James
On Thu, Oct 5, 2017 at 7:05 AM, Andy Mabbett andy@pigsonthewing.org.uk
wrote:
On 5 October 2017 at 12:34, Swapnil Karambelkar swapnil.tps@gmail.com
wrote:
copy of Hindi wikipedia also using WMF logos,etc.it seems to be violating the norms,please comment and look into the matter .
Not just hi.Wikipedia - see, for example, https://en.bywiki.com/wiki/
Main_Page
bywiki.com is registered to Chengdu West Dimension Digital Technology Co., Ltd. with a contact address in China:
https://www.whois.com/whois/bywiki.com
This may be a mirror site intended to bypass censorship, but in any case is a matter for the Wikimedia foundation.
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It can prove to be a grave threat to wiki users as well as contributors since their login id and passwords can be stolen moreover privacy issues and vandalism, malpractices issues can arise later on if these logins are used in wiki itself .please look into the matter on legal as well as technical grounds and see if there is any security threat or vulnerability is there with Wikimedia/wikipedia or sister projects. thanks
On Fri, Oct 6, 2017 at 1:41 AM, Chico Venancio chicocvenancio@gmail.com wrote:
I opened devtools here and this is what I could gather,
bywiki.com seems to be a very thin layer over wikimedia itself. The first calls are to bywiki domain (and seem to be actually cached from wikimedia servers with some extra added code, including added advertisement with a bidvertiser script).
Many js scripts make calls directly to wikimedia servers, including scripts to check for session validity and sessions from other projects. While it does not seem malicious, I don't trust due to the lack of an explanation and trademark violation issues.
Their ips seem to be globally blocked, the calls to edit will be seem from wikimedia servers as coming from them and are (all the times I tested, blocked).
Chico Venancio
2017-10-05 13:41 GMT-03:00 James Heilman jmh649@gmail.com:
To add to my prior comments, while bywiki.com is very well put together there are trademark issues that need to be addressed. Plus the log-in setup could confuse Wikipedians into giving away their user name and password. I will pass this along to legal and hopefully we can get the site to address these issues.
James
On Thu, Oct 5, 2017 at 10:28 AM, James Heilman jmh649@gmail.com wrote:
It is a beautifully done copy of Wikipedia. The history tab, talk pages, and user pages all work and thus appropriate attribution is present. The content is up to date. My IP is blocked so not sure how well editing works.
This mirror gives me greater concern https://everipedia.org/ in that they do not provide attribution to the authors of the content.
James
On Thu, Oct 5, 2017 at 7:05 AM, Andy Mabbett <
andy@pigsonthewing.org.uk>
wrote:
On 5 October 2017 at 12:34, Swapnil Karambelkar <
swapnil.tps@gmail.com>
wrote:
copy of Hindi wikipedia also using WMF logos,etc.it seems to be violating the norms,please comment and look into the matter .
Not just hi.Wikipedia - see, for example, https://en.bywiki.com/wiki/
Main_Page
bywiki.com is registered to Chengdu West Dimension Digital Technology Co., Ltd. with a contact address in China:
https://www.whois.com/whois/bywiki.com
This may be a mirror site intended to bypass censorship, but in any case is a matter for the Wikimedia foundation.
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