Gayle,
Thank you for the timely announcement that you will participate in a January office hour on IRC.
I was already contemplating writing to you in the context of some recent discussion on Wikimedia-l and on Meta.
So, I'd like to ask you to respond to these questions on Wikimedia-l.
1. Would you please respond to James' concern that I'm quoting below?
"For those outside of the U.S., http://www.glassdoor.com/Reviews/Wikimedia-Foundation-Reviews-E38331.htm (2.8, 55%) should resolve correctly. Because Glassdoor is susceptible to sour grapes, it is probably best read in comparison to similar nearby companies. For example: http://www.glassdoor.com/Reviews/WIKIA-Reviews-E428648.htm (4.5, 100%) http://www.glassdoor.com/Reviews/Google-Reviews-E9079.htm (4.0, 90%) http://www.glassdoor.com/Reviews/Facebook-Reviews-E40772.htm (4.6, 94%) http://www.glassdoor.com/Reviews/Twitter-Reviews-E100569.htm (3.7, 56%) http://www.glassdoor.com/Reviews/Apple-Reviews-E1138.htm (3.9, 82%) http://www.glassdoor.com/Reviews/Oracle-Reviews-E1737.htm (3.2, 63%) http://www.glassdoor.com/Reviews/Intuit-Reviews-E2293.htm (3.7, 79%) http://www.glassdoor.com/Reviews/Adobe-Reviews-E1090.htm (3.7, 84%) http://www.glassdoor.com/Reviews/VMware-Reviews-E12830.htm (3.3, 63%)
"I hope the Board and leadership find some way to exceed the employee satisfaction scores of at least one of those nine others in the coming year." 2. I am interested in hearing your responses to some of the comments in this post from someone who identifies themselves as a current employee. http://www.glassdoor.com/Reviews/Employee-Review-Wikimedia-Foundation-RVW202...
Specifically, I would like to ask:
*2a. How active are Board members in participating in ongoing community and WMF discussions? Personally, I note that the number of board members who post on Wikimedia-l and/or Meta on a weekly or monthly basis seems lower than I would hope.
*2b. How are senior managers held accountable for making progress toward Strategic Plan goals such as meeting the Board-approved "critical target" of 200,000 active editors each month by 2015?
*2c. Are people fired "every month", and if so, what is being done in the way of preventative action, for example changing the hiring process to select people who are less likely to be fired?
*2d. Does WMF have "a talent retention problem" and if so what is being done about this?
Thank you in advance for responding to these questions.
Pine
On Thu, Dec 27, 2012 at 3:39 PM, ENWP Pine deyntestiss@hotmail.com wrote:
Gayle,
Thank you for the timely announcement that you will participate in a January office hour on IRC.
I was already contemplating writing to you in the context of some recent discussion on Wikimedia-l and on Meta.
So, I'd like to ask you to respond to these questions on Wikimedia-l.
- Would you please respond to James' concern that I'm quoting below?
"For those outside of the U.S., http://www.glassdoor.com/Reviews/Wikimedia-Foundation-Reviews-E38331.htm(2.8, 55%) should resolve correctly. Because Glassdoor is susceptible to sour grapes, it is probably best read in comparison to similar nearby companies. For example:
*http://www.glassdoor.com/Reviews/WIKIA-Reviews-E428648.htm (4.5, 100%) http://www.glassdoor.com/Reviews/Google-Reviews-E9079.htm (4.0, 90%) http://www.glassdoor.com/Reviews/Facebook-Reviews-E40772.htm (4.6, 94%) http://www.glassdoor.com/Reviews/Twitter-Reviews-E100569.htm (3.7, 56%) http://www.glassdoor.com/Reviews/Apple-Reviews-E1138.htm (3.9, 82%) http://www.glassdoor.com/Reviews/Oracle-Reviews-E1737.htm (3.2, 63%) http://www.glassdoor.com/Reviews/Intuit-Reviews-E2293.htm (3.7, 79%) http://www.glassdoor.com/Reviews/Adobe-Reviews-E1090.htm (3.7, 84%) http://www.glassdoor.com/Reviews/VMware-Reviews-E12830.htm (3.3, 63%)
"I hope the Board and leadership find some way to exceed the employee satisfaction scores of at least one of those nine others in the coming year."*
I'm not sure what the concern is. Is it that we find a way to exceed the employee satisfaction scores? If that's the concern, I'm happy to report that the results from the employee engagement survey were positive (at the 76th percentile for positive scores against all other organizations in the survey database, which includes 65,000 respondents from 120 companies). When directly asked the question about the level of employee engagement here at the Foundation, 91% of the 84 respondents (66% response rate, which is considered reliable for survey data) responded that they felt favorably (a 4 or 5 on the scale). I'll talk more about this during the office hours as the results are much lengthier and complex, but suffice to say, we got both great qualitative and quantitative data in both the survey, the focus groups, and the myriad other forms of feedback that I have about what we actively need to work on from a leadership perspective.
I don't pay that much attention to Glassdoor. I'm aware of it, and it's a very limited sample and perspective. My main concern is that it potentially impacts recruiting. I don't believe, because I have competing and more reliable data, that it accurately represents a picture of the organization.
- I am interested in hearing your responses to some of the comments in
this post from someone who identifies themselves as a current employee. http://www.glassdoor.com/Reviews/Employee-Review-Wikimedia-Foundation-RVW202...
Specifically, I would like to ask:
*2a. How active are Board members in participating in ongoing community and WMF discussions? Personally, I note that the number of board members who post on Wikimedia-l and/or Meta on a weekly or monthly basis seems lower than I would hope.
I have no way to measure this. If someone else would like to do research on a % of board posts on the mailing lists or as a portion of meta, that would be fascinating. =
*2b. How are senior managers held accountable for making progress toward Strategic Plan goals such as meeting the Board-approved "critical target" of 200,000 active editors each month by 2015?
We're improving our practices around setting goals, setting expectations, helping people staff appropriately for the project goals, and figure out plans to support those goals. The complexity in here lies partly in the fact that it's not a 1:1 correlation between do X action and get Y# of active editors. There are a lot of intermediary variables. The short answer here is that each of the managers DOES feel vividly accountable for organizational performance. We're willing to have the difficult conversations, and increasing our ability to have the conversations that have to happen between people when we're off target. That's part of what went into the narrowing focus conversation.
*2c. Are people fired "every month", and if so, what is being done in the way of preventative action, for example changing the hiring process to select people who are less likely to be fired?
No. People are not fired every month. I found that statement a bit ridiculous.
Additionally, I know all the reasons people have been either let go or chosen to move on, and there's a fairly complex mix. For instance, culture fit is hard and some people who look great and interview well don't necessarily fit into an organization as collaborative and transparent as we are sometimes, or may not have capacity to deal with the inordinate amount of complexity (the level of complexity in comparison to size is pretty remarkable). But that factor may account for one of the folks that were let go in the last year, which I can count on fewer than the fingers of one hand. In one case, with the restructuring of a department, the specific skill set of someone wasn't optimally utilized anymore, but decisions around retention there had nothing to do with competence or character. My goal is to have the kind of organization where people can have rich experiences for as little or as long as they're here and feel better set up for their careers when they leave here. We're at the beginning of a developmental arc to make this happen in better ways, though I think we've made a few strides this past year and are starting to have better career pathing conversations.
The hiring process is a pretty exhaustive one as it is. I think that it needs process improvement, and figuring out the right staffing from a recruiting side is a current challenge I have, but I don't think people being "fired every month" is an issue.
*2d. Does WMF have "a talent retention problem" and if so what is being done about this?
The short answer is "No."
The simplicity of this question is a bit misleading. I don't think we have a talent retention problem because we have amazing people working for us who have and will continue to. The reasons that people move on are sometimes but not always problematic. I think it's GOOD for people to leave the organization at various points - for their own career development, because the things that were more endemic to a start-up environment are a little less prevalent at our stage of organizational growth, etc.
That said, I think we can always get better at finding ways to understand more deeply why people stay and what my department and organizational leaders can do to make the experience of working here continually better (I'm a big believer in learning and organization development and growing and developing people), so I'm engaging in efforts like designing a leadership development program that we started piloting last October, involving more people in strategy conversations, improving our internal processes, thinking about our benefits and staff support, understanding our local compensation market, etc. I do these things because they're important for my role and because I believe in them, not because I think we have "a talent retention problem".
Thank you in advance for responding to these questions.
Pine
You're so welcome! :) I'm going on a short vacation for New Year's, and will be unresponsive after this (just to warn you). I wish you all a fantastic start to 2013!!! :)
Warmest regards, Gayle
On 28 December 2012 01:14, Gayle Karen Young gyoung@wikimedia.org wrote:
*2a. How active are Board members in participating in ongoing community and WMF discussions? Personally, I note that the number of board members who post on Wikimedia-l and/or Meta on a weekly or monthly basis seems lower than I would hope.
I have no way to measure this. If someone else would like to do research on a % of board posts on the mailing lists or as a portion of meta, that would be fascinating. =
You may find http://www.infodisiac.com/Wikipedia/ScanMail/Wikimedia-l.htmlto be interesting, people with at least 5 posts in the last 9 months to the Wikimedia-L list. There's also http://www.infodisiac.com/Wikipedia/ScanMail/ for all the mailing lists and various ways of drilling down by mailing list and poster. Credit to Erik Zachte for creating the script which generates those pages.
On 28/12/12 12:14, Gayle Karen Young wrote:
*2d. Does WMF have "a talent retention problem" and if so what is being done about this?
The short answer is "No."
The simplicity of this question is a bit misleading. I don't think we have a talent retention problem because we have amazing people working for us who have and will continue to. The reasons that people move on are sometimes but not always problematic. I think it's GOOD for people to leave the organization at various points - for their own career development, because the things that were more endemic to a start-up environment are a little less prevalent at our stage of organizational growth, etc.
A count of office.wikimedia.org account deactivations suggests that about 59 people left the WMF in 2012, for whatever reason. To me, that seems like a lot of people. Maybe it's occasionally good for people to leave, but so many?
-- Tim Starling
On Thu, Dec 27, 2012 at 9:53 PM, Tim Starling tstarling@wikimedia.orgwrote:
On 28/12/12 12:14, Gayle Karen Young wrote:
*2d. Does WMF have "a talent retention problem" and if so what is being done about this?
The short answer is "No."
The simplicity of this question is a bit misleading. I don't think we
have
a talent retention problem because we have amazing people working for us who have and will continue to. The reasons that people move on are sometimes but not always problematic. I think it's GOOD for people to
leave
the organization at various points - for their own career development, because the things that were more endemic to a start-up environment are a little less prevalent at our stage of organizational growth, etc.
A count of office.wikimedia.org account deactivations suggests that about 59 people left the WMF in 2012, for whatever reason. To me, that seems like a lot of people. Maybe it's occasionally good for people to leave, but so many?
Does that include interns? I know my interns get access to Office Wiki, so it might skew the numbers higher. I believe LCA has had at least 8-10 (?) interns cycle through in 2012. I've had a couple.
-Matthew
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It would. And Fellows, etc.
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On Thu, Dec 27, 2012 at 11:31 PM, Matthew Roth mroth@wikimedia.org wrote:
On Thu, Dec 27, 2012 at 9:53 PM, Tim Starling <tstarling@wikimedia.org
wrote:
On 28/12/12 12:14, Gayle Karen Young wrote:
*2d. Does WMF have "a talent retention problem" and if so what is
being
done about this?
The short answer is "No."
The simplicity of this question is a bit misleading. I don't think we
have
a talent retention problem because we have amazing people working for
us
who have and will continue to. The reasons that people move on are sometimes but not always problematic. I think it's GOOD for people to
leave
the organization at various points - for their own career development, because the things that were more endemic to a start-up environment
are a
little less prevalent at our stage of organizational growth, etc.
A count of office.wikimedia.org account deactivations suggests that about 59 people left the WMF in 2012, for whatever reason. To me, that seems like a lot of people. Maybe it's occasionally good for people to leave, but so many?
Does that include interns? I know my interns get access to Office Wiki, so it might skew the numbers higher. I believe LCA has had at least 8-10 (?) interns cycle through in 2012. I've had a couple.
-Matthew
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On 28 December 2012 07:31, Matthew Roth mroth@wikimedia.org wrote:
A count of office.wikimedia.org account deactivations suggests that about 59 people left the WMF in 2012, for whatever reason. To me, that seems like a lot of people. Maybe it's occasionally good for people to leave, but so many?
Does that include interns? I know my interns get access to Office Wiki, so it might skew the numbers higher. I believe LCA has had at least 8-10 (?) interns cycle through in 2012. I've had a couple.
Gayle no doubt has more precise numbers, but using @wikimediaatwork I count 3 Dec, 1 Oct, 2 Sep, 3 Aug, 1 July, 4 Jun, 1 May, 2 Apr, 3 Feb, 1 Jan - twenty-one departures in a year, including fixed-term contractors (who probably shouldn't be counted in turnover discussions)
Whether that result is still too high or not I leave as an exercise for the reader!
On 28 December 2012 10:59, Andrew Gray andrew.gray@dunelm.org.uk wrote:
On 28 December 2012 07:31, Matthew Roth mroth@wikimedia.org wrote:
A count of office.wikimedia.org account deactivations suggests that about 59 people left the WMF in 2012, for whatever reason. To me, that seems like a lot of people. Maybe it's occasionally good for people to leave, but so many?
Does that include interns? I know my interns get access to Office Wiki,
so
it might skew the numbers higher. I believe LCA has had at least 8-10 (?) interns cycle through in 2012. I've had a couple.
Gayle no doubt has more precise numbers, but using @wikimediaatwork I count 3 Dec, 1 Oct, 2 Sep, 3 Aug, 1 July, 4 Jun, 1 May, 2 Apr, 3 Feb, 1 Jan - twenty-one departures in a year, including fixed-term contractors (who probably shouldn't be counted in turnover discussions)
Whether that result is still too high or not I leave as an exercise for the reader!
There are a few from that page that are missing if you consider the historyhttps://wikimediafoundation.org/w/index.php?title=Template:Staff_and_contractors&offset=&limit=500&action=historyof the Staff and contractors page on Foundation wiki, but that could be a reasonable count as it excludes fellows/legal interns/comms interns/short-term contractors - Gayle?
Staff and contractors page includes Fellows...not sure about contractor and such but I'm pretty sure they are put on there too.
Steve Zhang
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On 29/12/2012, at 12:14 AM, Thehelpfulone thehelpfulonewiki@gmail.com wrote:
On 28 December 2012 10:59, Andrew Gray andrew.gray@dunelm.org.uk wrote:
On 28 December 2012 07:31, Matthew Roth mroth@wikimedia.org wrote:
A count of office.wikimedia.org account deactivations suggests that about 59 people left the WMF in 2012, for whatever reason. To me, that seems like a lot of people. Maybe it's occasionally good for people to leave, but so many?
Does that include interns? I know my interns get access to Office Wiki,
so
it might skew the numbers higher. I believe LCA has had at least 8-10 (?) interns cycle through in 2012. I've had a couple.
Gayle no doubt has more precise numbers, but using @wikimediaatwork I count 3 Dec, 1 Oct, 2 Sep, 3 Aug, 1 July, 4 Jun, 1 May, 2 Apr, 3 Feb, 1 Jan - twenty-one departures in a year, including fixed-term contractors (who probably shouldn't be counted in turnover discussions)
Whether that result is still too high or not I leave as an exercise for the reader!
There are a few from that page that are missing if you consider the historyhttps://wikimediafoundation.org/w/index.php?title=Template:Staff_and_contractors&offset=&limit=500&action=historyof the Staff and contractors page on Foundation wiki, but that could be a reasonable count as it excludes fellows/legal interns/comms interns/short-term contractors - Gayle?
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On Fri, Dec 28, 2012 at 11:31 AM, Steven Zhang szhang@wikimedia.org wrote:
Staff and contractors page includes Fellows...not sure about contractor and such but I'm pretty sure they are put on there too.
The staff and contractors page includes some contractors but not all. By default, a contractor is not added to that page unless his/her manager requests it.
-Sage (a contractor who was not on that page until recently)
Just a personal opinion about "talent retention" at the WMF.
There are not many factors contributing to retention in an organization like this, in a context like ours:
- Tech sector is very competitive. Not even high pays, bonuses, stocks and perks are any assurance of keeping people around for long. - SF Bay Area is especially crazy. Guess why LinkedIn or Glassdoor were founded here. - Average age of hires: young. Retaining people in their 20s is more complex than retaining people in their 40s. - High % of remote workers. I have no data but I bet this adds to the complexity. - "Open source style for real" is a key factor WMF has almost like no other mid sized employer. I can see why many qualified professionals may think this is cool when being interviewed, only to realize some months after that they are not really made for that. - Young & fast growing organization. Lots of hiring with time pressure brings a higher risk of people leaving.
Looking at the numbers is not enough. The question is: are people leaving the WMF happy about their time here or not? Is the first motivation "leaving" or going to a new exciting challenge?
One thing is if someone leaves the WMF happy about the experience, and that experience actually helps that person getting an interesting offer. A very different thing is if someone leaves frustrated, escaping to anything else as long as it pays the rent. Both cases would count as "1" in the numbers.
Do I believe we should change the factors above? Actually tech, SF, young, remote add radically open were very positive factors when I considered joining the WMF some weeks ago. I'm very happy of working in a place like this! I'd rather keep the HR department busy trying to figure out how to work in a peculiar organization like this, instead of trying to become a more standard org you can run by the book.
The growth factor is another thing. I wish we were at the end of a crazy growth curve, prioritizing consolidation, sustainability and quality instead. The 'Narrowing Focus' strategy points in that direction, as well as the fact that we just ended a fundraising campaign before the planned date because we had reached the objective. I'm hopeful.
PS: what if there was a parallelism with Wikipedia editors? There, like at the WMF, you can see trustful oldtimers still around and then many newcomers, but a difficulty to keep these as mid time contributors. Just another personal idea without any data to back it. :)
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