Thinking loudly: I think that something like like button for edits would give more reasons to continue with editing. Those who like would have to go to diffs, which would leave the button to more engaged editors and thus almost strictly internal community issue. Could be discussed more about options and technical implementation.
Thoughts?
I don't understand why we need a "Like button" at all; it's open to personal interpretation and therefore can be in contravention of many policies, particularly NPOV. It's a bad idea, and should be strangled at birth. Feedback is much more sensibly achieved through more subtle means.
Milos Rancic wrote:
Thinking loudly: I think that something like like button for edits would give more reasons to continue with editing. Those who like would have to go to diffs, which would leave the button to more engaged editors and thus almost strictly internal community issue. Could be discussed more about options and technical implementation.
Thoughts?
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On Wed, Aug 10, 2011 at 04:02, Phil Nash phnash@blueyonder.co.uk wrote:
I don't understand why we need a "Like button" at all; it's open to personal interpretation and therefore can be in contravention of many policies, particularly NPOV. It's a bad idea, and should be strangled at birth. Feedback is much more sensibly achieved through more subtle means.
That would be a kind of personal appreciation, like there are many personal things at user talk pages.
Hi Milos
I am not quite sure I follow. "Those who like would have to go to diffs" ? "which would leave the button to more engaged editors"?
I personally find the "like button" on Facebook the dumbest idea ever - it means you are too stupid or too lazy to think up anything and just go around clicking "like" all over the place. It impoverishes the process, as where there is a "like" there could have been a enriching comment. For a beautiful photo, yes, for an intelligent quotation, yes, but for everything else, leave a comment or leave it alone. What does the like refer to? If I add "police beat up protesters", and someone comes along and "likes" it, does the "like" refer to: 1. the police beating up the protesters? ("I support them!") 2. me contributing the information - regardless of its quality? ("this is news to me") 3. the fact that the information was good and well constructed? ("this is well written") See the point?
Rui
2011/8/10 Milos Rancic millosh@gmail.com
Thinking loudly: I think that something like like button for edits would give more reasons to continue with editing. Those who like would have to go to diffs, which would leave the button to more engaged editors and thus almost strictly internal community issue. Could be discussed more about options and technical implementation.
Thoughts?
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Or, Rui, perhaps you have plenty of original thoughts and are a very intelligent person and you post all of your original thoughts, but it seems a bit stupid and like a waste of space to say "thank you for saying that" or "i agree with you" every time you agree with someone and have no disagreement nor a more nuanced position to add to the discussion.
2011/8/10 Rui Correia correia.rui@gmail.com
Hi Milos
I am not quite sure I follow. "Those who like would have to go to diffs" ? "which would leave the button to more engaged editors"?
I personally find the "like button" on Facebook the dumbest idea ever - it means you are too stupid or too lazy to think up anything and just go around clicking "like" all over the place. It impoverishes the process, as where there is a "like" there could have been a enriching comment. For a beautiful photo, yes, for an intelligent quotation, yes, but for everything else, leave a comment or leave it alone. What does the like refer to? If I add "police beat up protesters", and someone comes along and "likes" it, does the "like" refer to:
- the police beating up the protesters? ("I support them!")
- me contributing the information - regardless of its quality? ("this is
news to me") 3. the fact that the information was good and well constructed? ("this is well written") See the point?
Rui
2011/8/10 Milos Rancic millosh@gmail.com
Thinking loudly: I think that something like like button for edits would give more reasons to continue with editing. Those who like would have to go to diffs, which would leave the button to more engaged editors and thus almost strictly internal community issue. Could be discussed more about options and technical implementation.
Thoughts?
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M. Williamson
Obviousy I post my thoughts where these make a contribution. It says so below "leave a comment or leave it alone".
Rui
2011/8/10 M. Williamson node.ue@gmail.com
Or, Rui, perhaps you have plenty of original thoughts and are a very intelligent person and you post all of your original thoughts, but it seems a bit stupid and like a waste of space to say "thank you for saying that" or "i agree with you" every time you agree with someone and have no disagreement nor a more nuanced position to add to the discussion.
2011/8/10 Rui Correia correia.rui@gmail.com
Hi Milos
I am not quite sure I follow. "Those who like would have to go to diffs" ? "which would leave the button to more engaged editors"?
I personally find the "like button" on Facebook the dumbest idea ever -
it
means you are too stupid or too lazy to think up anything and just go around clicking "like" all over the place. It impoverishes the process, as where there is a "like" there could have been a enriching comment. For a beautiful photo, yes, for an intelligent quotation, yes, but for everything else, leave a comment or leave it alone. What does the like refer to? If I add "police beat up protesters", and someone comes along and "likes" it, does the "like" refer to:
- the police beating up the protesters? ("I support them!")
- me contributing the information - regardless of its quality? ("this is
news to me") 3. the fact that the information was good and well constructed? ("this is well written") See the point?
Rui
2011/8/10 Milos Rancic millosh@gmail.com
Thinking loudly: I think that something like like button for edits would give more reasons to continue with editing. Those who like would have to go to diffs, which would leave the button to more engaged editors and thus almost strictly internal community issue. Could be discussed more about options and technical implementation.
Thoughts?
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Rui, I meant the "impersonal you", not the direct you.
2011/8/10 Rui Correia correia.rui@gmail.com
M. Williamson
Obviousy I post my thoughts where these make a contribution. It says so below "leave a comment or leave it alone".
Rui
2011/8/10 M. Williamson node.ue@gmail.com
Or, Rui, perhaps you have plenty of original thoughts and are a very intelligent person and you post all of your original thoughts, but it
seems
a bit stupid and like a waste of space to say "thank you for saying that" or "i agree with you" every time you agree with someone and have no disagreement nor a more nuanced position to add to the discussion.
2011/8/10 Rui Correia correia.rui@gmail.com
Hi Milos
I am not quite sure I follow. "Those who like would have to go to diffs" ? "which would leave the button to more engaged editors"?
I personally find the "like button" on Facebook the dumbest idea ever -
it
means you are too stupid or too lazy to think up anything and just go around clicking "like" all over the place. It impoverishes the process, as
where
there is a "like" there could have been a enriching comment. For a beautiful photo, yes, for an intelligent quotation, yes, but for everything else, leave a comment or leave it alone. What does the like refer to? If I
add
"police beat up protesters", and someone comes along and "likes" it,
does
the "like" refer to:
- the police beating up the protesters? ("I support them!")
- me contributing the information - regardless of its quality? ("this
is
news to me") 3. the fact that the information was good and well constructed? ("this
is
well written") See the point?
Rui
2011/8/10 Milos Rancic millosh@gmail.com
Thinking loudly: I think that something like like button for edits would give more reasons to continue with editing. Those who like
would
have to go to diffs, which would leave the button to more engaged editors and thus almost strictly internal community issue. Could be discussed more about options and technical implementation.
Thoughts?
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Rui Correia wrote:
I personally find the "like button" on Facebook the dumbest idea ever - it means you are too stupid or too lazy to think up anything and just go around clicking "like" all over the place. It impoverishes the process, as where there is a "like" there could have been a enriching comment. For a beautiful photo, yes, for an intelligent quotation, yes, but for everything else, leave a comment or leave it alone. What does the like refer to?
Hmm, it'd be a neat extension for Commons. I don't think "like" or "+1" should be used, as they're not sufficiently wiki. But something that expresses the same sentiment, that allows users to express approval of good photos (similar to Flickr), could be cool.
MZMcBride
Hmm, it'd be a neat extension for Commons. I don't think "like" or "+1" should be used, as they're not sufficiently wiki. But something that expresses the same sentiment, that allows users to express approval of
good
photos (similar to Flickr), could be cool.
MZMcBride
Is the talk page not good enough?
Cheers Yaroslav
On Wed, Aug 10, 2011 at 6:38 PM, Yaroslav M. Blanter putevod@mccme.ruwrote:
Hmm, it'd be a neat extension for Commons. I don't think "like" or "+1" should be used, as they're not sufficiently wiki. But something that expresses the same sentiment, that allows users to express approval of
good
photos (similar to Flickr), could be cool.
MZMcBride
Is the talk page not good enough?
No.
How about "<3" or "Love it"?
I do love the current 'like' template though on en.wp. ;)
Theo
Cheers Yaroslav
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Yaroslav M. Blanter wrote:
MZMcBride wrote:
Hmm, it'd be a neat extension for Commons. I don't think "like" or "+1" should be used, as they're not sufficiently wiki. But something that expresses the same sentiment, that allows users to express approval of good photos (similar to Flickr), could be cool.
Is the talk page not good enough?
Well, you could put the expressions of approval on the talk page or below the file. I think putting them below the file (on the file description page) is more obvious, personally.
If you're asking whether clicking edit, typing "* I like this photo. --~~~~", and saving the page is easier or better user interface than having a button that does it for you automatically, it seems fairly clear which is superior. It isn't even really a close contest.
There's nothing wrong with expressing approval for creativity and there's nothing wrong with making it less painful for users to do so.
MZMcBride
We do have a great substitute for the like button which is barnstars and other awards. These are the ones I see frequently used to show appreciation for specific edits. They could read something on the lines of: "Here I award you the Humor Barnstar for your great sense of humor shown in this edit [insert diff here]." Otherwise I see simple thank you's on talk pages.
A like button does make more sense on Commons. But then we have our own processes there: Featured Pictures/sounds/videos, Valued Pictures and Quality Images. Those are more useful than liking, and I think would also be more appreciated by the creators. Not to mention that having an image included in an article is rewarding by itself.
Regards, -- Orionist
On Wed, Aug 10, 2011 at 5:31 AM, Milos Rancic millosh@gmail.com wrote:
Thinking loudly: I think that something like like button for edits would give more reasons to continue with editing. Those who like would have to go to diffs, which would leave the button to more engaged editors and thus almost strictly internal community issue. Could be discussed more about options and technical implementation.
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On Wed, Aug 10, 2011 at 1:21 PM, Orionist orion.ist@gmail.com wrote:
We do have a great substitute for the like button which is barnstars and other awards.
Maybe a version of WikiLove could be built for Commons that leaves a barnstar or similar for the creator of a file, without leaving the file page.
-Sage
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