That was snippy... Editing a major meta policy page must be done with considerable caution, starting by making suggestions on its talk page: https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Talk:Neutral_point_of_view There is some, rather limited, discussion in section 3. Fred _______________________________________________ Wikimedia-l mailing list Wikimedia-l(a)lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, <mailto:wikimedia-l-request@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe>

https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Talk:Legal_and_Community_Advocacy#Draft_of_… I started above text to draft a text for the board to review. -- とある白い猫 (To Aru Shiroi Neko) On Tue, Sep 17, 2013 at 5:56 PM, とある白い猫 &lt;to.aru.shiroi.neko(a)gmail.com > A talk page on meta wont be noticed by much which is why perhaps this is > the better location for the discussion. It is not like I am proposing a > meta policy. > > -- とある白い猫 (To Aru Shiroi Neko) > > > On Tue, Sep 17, 2013 at 2:55 PM, Fred Bauder &lt;fredbaud(a)fairpoint.net > >> >> I am not disputing how settled it is but I don't think meta >> >> sufficiently >> >> achieves expressing how settled this core value really is. As you >> >> stated >> >> it >> >> would be more of a restatement and re-emphasis of what already is a >> >> core >> >> value. >> >> >> >> -- 㠨㠂る白㠄猫 (To Aru Shiroi Neko) >> > >> > Yes, good idea, needs to be done. Please notify the board of >> directors... >> > >> > Fred >> >> That was snippy... >> >> Editing a major meta policy page must be done with considerable caution, >> starting by making suggestions on its talk page: >> >> https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Talk:Neutral_point_of_view >> >> There is some, rather limited, discussion in section 3. >> >> Fred >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Wikimedia-l mailing list >> Wikimedia-l(a)lists.wikimedia.org >> Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, >> <mailto:wikimedia-l-request@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe> >> > > _______________________________________________ Wikimedia-l mailing list Wikimedia-l(a)lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, <mailto:wikimedia-l-request@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe>

On Wed, Oct 2, 2013 at 11:53 PM, Asaf Bartov &lt;abartov(a)wikimedia.org&gt; wrote: ... asaf, could you please elaborate a little bit what you mean by this? do you not share the experience that the editors were able to come up with reasonable and well thought out rules they follow, since wikipedia exists? and many of the rules were discussed. and most of them discussed again? isn't this one of the cores which made wikipedia so successful? rupert.

On Sat, 5 Oct 2013, at 18:47, Fred Bauder wrote: This is simply false. If a third source says that one of two reliable sources is wrong or simply worse, the third source is not ignored.

I'd say "be bold" and start drafting. Many people respond to a flawed (or at least improvable) text more readily than they do to an open invitation to contribute. I, for one, share your perception that NPOV is a problem on some (perhaps most) Wikipedias, and think it'd be a good idea to bolster NPOV with a Board resolution. Not because it would instantly solve the problem, of course, but I see its value in supporting those editors who'd fight to uphold NPOV. A. On Wed, Oct 2, 2013 at 2:26 PM, とある白い猫 &lt;to.aru.shiroi.neko(a)gmail.com&gt; wrote: https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Talk:Legal_and_Community_Advocacy#Draft_of_… > > I started above text to draft a text for the board to review. > > -- とある白い猫 (To Aru Shiroi Neko) > On Tue, Sep 17, 2013 at 5:56 PM, とある白い猫 &lt;to.aru.shiroi.neko(a)gmail.com > >wrote: > > > A talk page on meta wont be noticed by much which is why perhaps this is caution, , -- Asaf Bartov Wikimedia Foundation <http://www.wikimediafoundation.org> Imagine a world in which every single human being can freely share in the sum of all knowledge. Help us make it a reality! https://donate.wikimedia.org _______________________________________________ Wikimedia-l mailing list Wikimedia-l(a)lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, <mailto:wikimedia-l-request@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe>

I have posted 4 sentences, kind of a draft of a draft of a draft. It is very overwhelming for me to draft text with near-legal precision on my own. -- とある白い猫 (To Aru Shiroi Neko)