Hi Erik,
To specifically respond to your question, and as you know, WMCH does have plans to hire a developer next year for its offline dissemination program (ie KIWIX) [1][2].
Since Europeana had indicated its interest into maintaining/developing it the GWToolset, we decided to focus our efforts on keeping Kiwix going (that's also where our relationship with the community is strongest). This being said, we also do intend to be heavily using the GlamWikiToolset next year already, and may therefore need to develop our own extensions as needs arise. We however first need to find out what such needs are/will be, and how Europeana will handle the load.
But yes, to answer your question we do plan on having a dedicated chapter staff whom you will be able to work with (provided the current APG request goes well enough, of course).
Cheers
Stephane
[1] *https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Grants:APG/Proposals/2014-2015_round1/Wikime... https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Grants:APG/Proposals/2014-2015_round1/Wikimedia_CH/Proposal_form#Offline_Dissemination_Program* [2] https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Kiwix_-_Wikipedia_Offline
-------- Original Message -------- Subject: Re: [Wikimedia-l] Chapters and GLAM tooling Date: Fri, 24 Oct 2014 11:45:50 -0700 From: Erik Moeller erik@wikimedia.org Reply-To: Wikimedia Mailing List wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org To: Wikimedia Mailing List wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org
Just pinging this thread -- looking through all the proposals for annual plan grants:
https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Grants:APG/Proposals/2014-2015_round1/Wikime...
https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Grants:APG/Proposals/2014-2015_round1/Wikime...
https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Grants:APG/Proposals/2014-2015_round1/Wikime...
https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Grants:APG/Proposals/2014-2015_round1/Wikime...
https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Grants:APG/Proposals/2014-2015_round1/Wikime...
https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Grants:APG/Proposals/2014-2015_round1/Wikime...
https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Grants:APG/Proposals/2014-2015_round1/Wikime...
https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Grants:APG/Proposals/2014-2015_round1/Wikime...
https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Grants:APG/Proposals/2014-2015_round1/Wikime...
I'm not seeing any developer contract time allocated to GLAM tooling work yet. At the same time I'm seeing reports of breakage and missing functionality in important tools running in Labs. To the extent that this breakage is due to Labs infrastructure or access to data, it's our job (WMF) to fix it and you should (continue to) poke us to do so -- but to the extent that it can be addressed in the tools themselves, I'd love to see chapters take this on directly. It's possible that I'm missing something. Are there more concrete plans at this point in time to help support the tools developed by Magnus and others, and create new reports on an as-needed basis? Having a dedicated staff person in chapters or an affilicate like Europeana who WMF analytics can partner with would be really helpful for keeping this moving, in my view.
Thanks, Erik
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Hi Stéphane, I'm currently sitting in the plenary hall of the Europeana AGM in Prado Museum in Madrid and, quite literally, right now is the presentation is about the 2015 business plan. What the organisation will prioritise etc. etc. Therefore, it's a perfectly timed email to mention the GLAMwikiToolset [GWT] and Europeana! Several Wikimedians from European Chapters, Maria from the WMF Board of Trustees, and other 'friends of the family' are here too.
In this specific context I should say that in the last weeks of practical planning for 2015, we've narrowed down the scope of what Europeana will be wiling and able to support in the Wikiverse. It was decided that while Europeana does want to fix bugs, improve documentation and give some more 'polish' to the GWT, it has decided that committing to the ongoing development of an integrated, content-agnostic, clear user-interface, for Wikimedia Commons is actually beyond the scope of the organisation. Ultimately Europeana's mission is about European GLAM content and it can no longer justify being the 'business owner' for the large development task that would be creating the fully-featured integrated Commons system. To be clear: Europeana is not 'leaving' and wants to help improve the tool as it currently exists (as well as remain involved in a variety of other GLAMwiki activities), but the organisation wanted to be clear in setting expectations that it will *not* be building the Mass-upload equivalent of the Upload Wizard.
From a personal perspective, as the guy who was pushing for the
funding/creation of the magical, easy, beautiful mass-upload system since... I forget how long ago now... I would love to see investment (by anyone), but in my professional perspective I understand the need for Europeana to clearly define the scope of its activities - and a mass-uploader for anyone, with any content, to Wikimedia (with all the extremely complex usability, templates, metadata... requirements that this entails) is actually outside the scope of its mission.
- Liam, in my capacity as Europeana GLAMwiki Coordinator.
wittylama.com Peace, love & metadata
On 31 October 2014 11:11, Stéphane Coillet-Matillon < stephane.coillet@mail.wikimedia.ch> wrote:
Hi Erik,
To specifically respond to your question, and as you know, WMCH does have plans to hire a developer next year for its offline dissemination program (ie KIWIX) [1][2].
Since Europeana had indicated its interest into maintaining/developing it the GWToolset, we decided to focus our efforts on keeping Kiwix going (that's also where our relationship with the community is strongest). This being said, we also do intend to be heavily using the GlamWikiToolset next year already, and may therefore need to develop our own extensions as needs arise. We however first need to find out what such needs are/will be, and how Europeana will handle the load.
But yes, to answer your question we do plan on having a dedicated chapter staff whom you will be able to work with (provided the current APG request goes well enough, of course).
Cheers
Stephane
[1] * https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Grants:APG/Proposals/2014-2015_round1/Wikime... < https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Grants:APG/Proposals/2014-2015_round1/Wikime...
[2] https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Kiwix_-_Wikipedia_Offline
-------- Original Message -------- Subject: Re: [Wikimedia-l] Chapters and GLAM tooling Date: Fri, 24 Oct 2014 11:45:50 -0700 From: Erik Moeller erik@wikimedia.org Reply-To: Wikimedia Mailing List wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org To: Wikimedia Mailing List wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org
Just pinging this thread -- looking through all the proposals for annual plan grants:
https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Grants:APG/Proposals/2014-2015_round1/Wikime...
https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Grants:APG/Proposals/2014-2015_round1/Wikime...
https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Grants:APG/Proposals/2014-2015_round1/Wikime...
https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Grants:APG/Proposals/2014-2015_round1/Wikime...
https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Grants:APG/Proposals/2014-2015_round1/Wikime...
https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Grants:APG/Proposals/2014-2015_round1/Wikime...
https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Grants:APG/Proposals/2014-2015_round1/Wikime...
https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Grants:APG/Proposals/2014-2015_round1/Wikime...
https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Grants:APG/Proposals/2014-2015_round1/Wikime...
I'm not seeing any developer contract time allocated to GLAM tooling work yet. At the same time I'm seeing reports of breakage and missing functionality in important tools running in Labs. To the extent that this breakage is due to Labs infrastructure or access to data, it's our job (WMF) to fix it and you should (continue to) poke us to do so -- but to the extent that it can be addressed in the tools themselves, I'd love to see chapters take this on directly. It's possible that I'm missing something. Are there more concrete plans at this point in time to help support the tools developed by Magnus and others, and create new reports on an as-needed basis? Having a dedicated staff person in chapters or an affilicate like Europeana who WMF analytics can partner with would be really helpful for keeping this moving, in my view.
Thanks, Erik
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