Hi! So there's a sprouting project called WikiJournal https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/WikiJournal_User_Group, the basic idea of which is to develop an open peer-reviewed academic journal, where we can all publish our research, and also, maybe, permalinks to Wikipedia articles that have been peer-reviewed (featured articles) together with the names of the main author(s), so as to give some well-deserved credit.
Anyway, the thing is that recently, we've been talking to the owner of wikijournal.org, a fairly similar project with the perfect domain name, and he has agreed to a merge. So now we're all excited trying to figure out the details of the merge, and there's one particular issue I'd like to ask about. If we migrate the content we currently have (on Meta and Wikiversity) to wikijournal.org, and the project grows, and eventually gets accepted as a sister-project (as we hope), how will we merge the user accounts? Should we not worry about it, and we'll figure it out when the time comes? Or should we totally worry about it, and adopt some strategy about it now? What's your advice on this issue? I've been looking around for documentation but the most relevant one https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/New_project_process seems to have no advice on this point.
Thanks for any input!
On Tue, Mar 14, 2017 at 10:45 PM, Felipe Schenone schenonef@gmail.com wrote:
If we migrate the content we currently have (on Meta and Wikiversity) to wikijournal.org, and the project grows, and eventually gets accepted as a sister-project (as we hope), how will we merge the user accounts? Should we not worry about it, and we'll figure it out when the time comes? Or should we totally worry about it, and adopt some strategy about it now? What's your advice on this issue?
Note: This post is my personal view and in no way represents any official WMF position.
My personal guess is that it would wind up being done something like how accounts on WikiVoyage were handled: people who used the same username on both WikiVoyage and Wikimedia wikis were able to merge those accounts, people whose usernames weren't already in use on Wikimedia wikis were able to claim those names, and other people had to be renamed. Or at least it seems that's what was done based on the plan document on mediawiki.org[1] and the process page on en.wikivoyage.org.[2]
To reduce the number of people who would need renaming should the time come, you might start using an extension like OAuthAuthentication[3] to authenticate against Meta, and disable any further local account creations.
[1]: https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Wikivoyage_migration/Accounts [2]: https://en.wikivoyage.org/wiki/Wikivoyage:User_account_migration [3]: https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:OAuthAuthentication
Awesome advice Brad, I can't think of a better solution than that, thanks!
On Wed, Mar 15, 2017 at 12:26 PM Brad Jorsch (Anomie) bjorsch@wikimedia.org wrote:
On Tue, Mar 14, 2017 at 10:45 PM, Felipe Schenone schenonef@gmail.com wrote:
If we migrate the content we currently have (on Meta and Wikiversity) to wikijournal.org, and the project grows, and eventually gets accepted as a sister-project (as we hope), how will we merge the user accounts? Should we not worry about it, and we'll figure it out when the time comes? Or should we totally worry about it, and adopt some strategy about it now? What's your advice on this issue?
Note: This post is my personal view and in no way represents any official WMF position.
My personal guess is that it would wind up being done something like how accounts on WikiVoyage were handled: people who used the same username on both WikiVoyage and Wikimedia wikis were able to merge those accounts, people whose usernames weren't already in use on Wikimedia wikis were able to claim those names, and other people had to be renamed. Or at least it seems that's what was done based on the plan document on mediawiki.org[1] and the process page on en.wikivoyage.org.[2]
To reduce the number of people who would need renaming should the time come, you might start using an extension like OAuthAuthentication[3] to authenticate against Meta, and disable any further local account creations.
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You can think about relying upon WMF OAuth to login to wikijournal. Basically anyone would be able to login to wikijournal using their WMF wikis' credentials. If you make this the sole way to login you'll end up having an already-ready-to-merge userbase.
Vito
2017-03-15 20:44 GMT+01:00 Felipe Schenone schenonef@gmail.com:
Awesome advice Brad, I can't think of a better solution than that, thanks!
On Wed, Mar 15, 2017 at 12:26 PM Brad Jorsch (Anomie) < bjorsch@wikimedia.org> wrote:
On Tue, Mar 14, 2017 at 10:45 PM, Felipe Schenone schenonef@gmail.com wrote:
If we migrate the content we currently have (on Meta and Wikiversity) to wikijournal.org, and the project grows, and eventually gets accepted as a sister-project (as we hope), how will we merge the user accounts? Should we not worry about it, and we'll figure it out when
the
time comes? Or should we totally worry about it, and adopt some
strategy
about it now? What's your advice on this issue?
Note: This post is my personal view and in no way represents any official WMF position.
My personal guess is that it would wind up being done something like how accounts on WikiVoyage were handled: people who used the same username on both WikiVoyage and Wikimedia wikis were able to merge those accounts, people whose usernames weren't already in use on Wikimedia wikis were
able
to claim those names, and other people had to be renamed. Or at least it seems that's what was done based on the plan document on mediawiki.org
[1]
and the process page on en.wikivoyage.org.[2]
To reduce the number of people who would need renaming should the time come, you might start using an extension like OAuthAuthentication[3] to authenticate against Meta, and disable any further local account
creations.
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That looks about right. (how it happened) Cheers, Peter
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Awesome advice Brad, I can't think of a better solution than that, thanks!
On Wed, Mar 15, 2017 at 12:26 PM Brad Jorsch (Anomie) bjorsch@wikimedia.org wrote:
On Tue, Mar 14, 2017 at 10:45 PM, Felipe Schenone schenonef@gmail.com wrote:
If we migrate the content we currently have (on Meta and Wikiversity) to wikijournal.org, and the project grows, and eventually gets accepted as a sister-project (as we hope), how will we merge the user accounts? Should we not worry about it, and we'll figure it out when the time comes? Or should we totally worry about it, and adopt some strategy about it now? What's your advice on this issue?
Note: This post is my personal view and in no way represents any official WMF position.
My personal guess is that it would wind up being done something like how accounts on WikiVoyage were handled: people who used the same username on both WikiVoyage and Wikimedia wikis were able to merge those accounts, people whose usernames weren't already in use on Wikimedia wikis were able to claim those names, and other people had to be renamed. Or at least it seems that's what was done based on the plan document on mediawiki.org[1] and the process page on en.wikivoyage.org.[2]
To reduce the number of people who would need renaming should the time come, you might start using an extension like OAuthAuthentication[3] to authenticate against Meta, and disable any further local account creations.
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I missed your email so I wrote the same thing by mistake, sorry!
Vito
2017-03-15 16:26 GMT+01:00 Brad Jorsch (Anomie) bjorsch@wikimedia.org:
On Tue, Mar 14, 2017 at 10:45 PM, Felipe Schenone schenonef@gmail.com wrote:
If we migrate the content we currently have (on Meta and Wikiversity) to wikijournal.org, and the project grows, and eventually gets accepted as a sister-project (as we hope), how will we merge the user accounts? Should we not worry about it, and we'll figure it out when the time comes? Or should we totally worry about it, and adopt some strategy about it now? What's your advice on this issue?
Note: This post is my personal view and in no way represents any official WMF position.
My personal guess is that it would wind up being done something like how accounts on WikiVoyage were handled: people who used the same username on both WikiVoyage and Wikimedia wikis were able to merge those accounts, people whose usernames weren't already in use on Wikimedia wikis were able to claim those names, and other people had to be renamed. Or at least it seems that's what was done based on the plan document on mediawiki.org[1] and the process page on en.wikivoyage.org.[2]
To reduce the number of people who would need renaming should the time come, you might start using an extension like OAuthAuthentication[3] to authenticate against Meta, and disable any further local account creations.
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When Wikivoyage joined WMF as a fork from Wikitravel they had to deal with the same problem. It should be in the records somewhere. It wasn’t a big deal from memory. I had the same username on both anyway. A few people had to change when there were conflicts, and a few dropped one name as redundant. Cheers, Peter
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Hi! So there's a sprouting project called WikiJournal https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/WikiJournal_User_Group, the basic idea of which is to develop an open peer-reviewed academic journal, where we can all publish our research, and also, maybe, permalinks to Wikipedia articles that have been peer-reviewed (featured articles) together with the names of the main author(s), so as to give some well-deserved credit.
Anyway, the thing is that recently, we've been talking to the owner of wikijournal.org, a fairly similar project with the perfect domain name, and he has agreed to a merge. So now we're all excited trying to figure out the details of the merge, and there's one particular issue I'd like to ask about. If we migrate the content we currently have (on Meta and Wikiversity) to wikijournal.org, and the project grows, and eventually gets accepted as a sister-project (as we hope), how will we merge the user accounts? Should we not worry about it, and we'll figure it out when the time comes? Or should we totally worry about it, and adopt some strategy about it now? What's your advice on this issue? I've been looking around for documentation but the most relevant one https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/New_project_process seems to have no advice on this point.
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