Sorry for my English. Recently, a newbie from Portuguese Wikipedia has proposed on meta a vote to create Wikipedia in european portuguese. He don't talked about it with any editor from pt:Wikipedia and that proposal has discovered by me, accidentally. I send a note in Village Pump from pt:wikipedia. More than 30 editors has voted against that proposal. Unconsoled with this, he was suspended that voting and is imposing to, in a new vote about it, only europeans speakers can vote on it.
Is all ok to the current rules for request a new language?
Links related to this: http://meta.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=Requests_for_new_languages&d...
http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Talk:Requests_for_new_languages#Discussion_of...
http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Special:Contributions/Tugazo http://pt.wikipedia.org/wiki/Especial:Contributions/Tugazo
The only reason why I can see two different Portuguese wikis is because the two (majority) versions -- European Portuguese and Brazillian Portuguese -- are very different. Are they?
On 7/2/06, Luiz Augusto lugusto@gmail.com wrote:
Sorry for my English. Recently, a newbie from Portuguese Wikipedia has proposed on meta a vote to create Wikipedia in european portuguese. He don't talked about it with any editor from pt:Wikipedia and that proposal has discovered by me, accidentally. I send a note in Village Pump from pt:wikipedia. More than 30 editors has voted against that proposal. Unconsoled with this, he was suspended that voting and is imposing to, in a new vote about it, only europeans speakers can vote on it.
Is all ok to the current rules for request a new language?
Links related to this:
http://meta.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=Requests_for_new_languages&d...
http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Talk:Requests_for_new_languages#Discussion_of...
http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Special:Contributions/Tugazo http://pt.wikipedia.org/wiki/Especial:Contributions/Tugazo _______________________________________________ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l@wikimedia.org http://mail.wikipedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l
James Hare wrote:
The only reason why I can see two different Portuguese wikis is because the two (majority) versions -- European Portuguese and Brazillian Portuguese -- are very different. Are they?
On 7/2/06, Luiz Augusto lugusto@gmail.com wrote:
Sorry for my English. Recently, a newbie from Portuguese Wikipedia has proposed on meta a vote to create Wikipedia in european portuguese. He don't talked about it with any editor from pt:Wikipedia and that proposal has discovered by me, accidentally. I send a note in Village Pump from pt:wikipedia. More than 30 editors has voted against that proposal. Unconsoled with this, he was suspended that voting and is imposing to, in a new vote about it, only europeans speakers can vote on it.
Is all ok to the current rules for request a new language?
As a fluent portuguese speaker, I have no idea why a vote of this nature must be restricted to only those who come from a certain country or continent. I am, however, opposed to this idea, as well as the earlier Brazilian Portuguese Wikipedia proposal that also failed. To me this sounds like somebody trying to establish rules that would make his pet project work, when there is strong opposition to the idea. I'll put more of my thoughts on the new language poll page to keep down bandwidth.
Yes, dialect forks are just a waste of space, bandwidth and time, unless the dialects vary greatly (such as Cantonese and Mandarin).
On 7/3/06, Robert Scott Horning robert_horning@netzero.net wrote:
James Hare wrote:
The only reason why I can see two different Portuguese wikis is because
the
two (majority) versions -- European Portuguese and Brazillian Portuguese
--
are very different. Are they?
On 7/2/06, Luiz Augusto lugusto@gmail.com wrote:
Sorry for my English. Recently, a newbie from Portuguese Wikipedia has proposed on meta a vote to create Wikipedia in european portuguese. He don't talked about it with any editor from pt:Wikipedia and that proposal has discovered by me, accidentally. I send a note in Village Pump from pt:wikipedia. More than 30 editors has voted against that proposal. Unconsoled with this, he was suspended that voting and is imposing to,
in
a new vote about it, only europeans speakers can vote on it.
Is all ok to the current rules for request a new language?
As a fluent portuguese speaker, I have no idea why a vote of this nature must be restricted to only those who come from a certain country or continent. I am, however, opposed to this idea, as well as the earlier Brazilian Portuguese Wikipedia proposal that also failed. To me this sounds like somebody trying to establish rules that would make his pet project work, when there is strong opposition to the idea. I'll put more of my thoughts on the new language poll page to keep down bandwidth.
-- Robert Scott Horning
foundation-l mailing list foundation-l@wikimedia.org http://mail.wikipedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l
Hoi, Cantonese and Mandarin are BOTH languages according to ISO-639-3. Thanks, GerardM
James Hare wrote:
Yes, dialect forks are just a waste of space, bandwidth and time, unless the dialects vary greatly (such as Cantonese and Mandarin).
On 7/3/06, Robert Scott Horning robert_horning@netzero.net wrote:
James Hare wrote:
The only reason why I can see two different Portuguese wikis is because
the
two (majority) versions -- European Portuguese and Brazillian Portuguese
--
are very different. Are they?
On 7/2/06, Luiz Augusto lugusto@gmail.com wrote:
Sorry for my English. Recently, a newbie from Portuguese Wikipedia has proposed on meta a vote to create Wikipedia in european portuguese. He don't talked about it with any editor from pt:Wikipedia and that proposal has discovered by me, accidentally. I send a note in Village Pump from pt:wikipedia. More than 30 editors has voted against that proposal. Unconsoled with this, he was suspended that voting and is imposing to,
in
a new vote about it, only europeans speakers can vote on it.
Is all ok to the current rules for request a new language?
As a fluent portuguese speaker, I have no idea why a vote of this nature must be restricted to only those who come from a certain country or continent. I am, however, opposed to this idea, as well as the earlier Brazilian Portuguese Wikipedia proposal that also failed. To me this sounds like somebody trying to establish rules that would make his pet project work, when there is strong opposition to the idea. I'll put more of my thoughts on the new language poll page to keep down bandwidth.
-- Robert Scott Horning
O RLY?
I thought they were dialects of Chinese.
On 7/4/06, Gerard Meijssen gerard.meijssen@gmail.com wrote:
Hoi, Cantonese and Mandarin are BOTH languages according to ISO-639-3. Thanks, GerardM
James Hare wrote:
Yes, dialect forks are just a waste of space, bandwidth and time, unless
the
dialects vary greatly (such as Cantonese and Mandarin).
On 7/3/06, Robert Scott Horning robert_horning@netzero.net wrote:
James Hare wrote:
The only reason why I can see two different Portuguese wikis is
because
the
two (majority) versions -- European Portuguese and Brazillian
Portuguese
--
are very different. Are they?
On 7/2/06, Luiz Augusto lugusto@gmail.com wrote:
Sorry for my English. Recently, a newbie from Portuguese Wikipedia
has
proposed on meta a vote to create Wikipedia in european portuguese.
He
don't talked about it with any editor from pt:Wikipedia and that proposal
has
discovered by me, accidentally. I send a note in Village Pump from pt:wikipedia. More than 30 editors has voted against that proposal. Unconsoled with this, he was suspended that voting and is imposing
to,
in
a new vote about it, only europeans speakers can vote on it.
Is all ok to the current rules for request a new language?
As a fluent portuguese speaker, I have no idea why a vote of this
nature
must be restricted to only those who come from a certain country or continent. I am, however, opposed to this idea, as well as the earlier Brazilian Portuguese Wikipedia proposal that also failed. To me this sounds like somebody trying to establish rules that would make his pet project work, when there is strong opposition to the idea. I'll put more of my thoughts on the new language poll page to keep down
bandwidth.
-- Robert Scott Horning
foundation-l mailing list foundation-l@wikimedia.org http://mail.wikipedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l
Hoi, What "we" call Chinese is no longer considered a language.. http://www.sil.org/iso639-3/documentation.asp?id=zho Thanks, GerardM
James Hare wrote:
O RLY?
I thought they were dialects of Chinese.
On 7/4/06, Gerard Meijssen gerard.meijssen@gmail.com wrote:
Hoi, Cantonese and Mandarin are BOTH languages according to ISO-639-3. Thanks, GerardM
James Hare wrote:
Yes, dialect forks are just a waste of space, bandwidth and time, unless
the
dialects vary greatly (such as Cantonese and Mandarin).
On 7/3/06, Robert Scott Horning robert_horning@netzero.net wrote:
James Hare wrote:
The only reason why I can see two different Portuguese wikis is
because
the
two (majority) versions -- European Portuguese and Brazillian
Portuguese
--
are very different. Are they?
On 7/2/06, Luiz Augusto lugusto@gmail.com wrote:
Sorry for my English. Recently, a newbie from Portuguese Wikipedia
has
proposed on meta a vote to create Wikipedia in european portuguese.
He
don't talked about it with any editor from pt:Wikipedia and that proposal
has
discovered by me, accidentally. I send a note in Village Pump from pt:wikipedia. More than 30 editors has voted against that proposal. Unconsoled with this, he was suspended that voting and is imposing
to,
in
a new vote about it, only europeans speakers can vote on it.
Is all ok to the current rules for request a new language?
As a fluent portuguese speaker, I have no idea why a vote of this
nature
must be restricted to only those who come from a certain country or continent. I am, however, opposed to this idea, as well as the earlier Brazilian Portuguese Wikipedia proposal that also failed. To me this sounds like somebody trying to establish rules that would make his pet project work, when there is strong opposition to the idea. I'll put more of my thoughts on the new language poll page to keep down
bandwidth.
-- Robert Scott Horning
I'll be right back, I have to now file an audit for every piece of knowledge in my brain to see if it's not lodged in 1959.
On 7/4/06, Gerard Meijssen gerard.meijssen@gmail.com wrote:
Hoi, What "we" call Chinese is no longer considered a language.. http://www.sil.org/iso639-3/documentation.asp?id=zho Thanks, GerardM
James Hare wrote:
O RLY?
I thought they were dialects of Chinese.
On 7/4/06, Gerard Meijssen gerard.meijssen@gmail.com wrote:
Hoi, Cantonese and Mandarin are BOTH languages according to ISO-639-3. Thanks, GerardM
James Hare wrote:
Yes, dialect forks are just a waste of space, bandwidth and time,
unless
the
dialects vary greatly (such as Cantonese and Mandarin).
On 7/3/06, Robert Scott Horning robert_horning@netzero.net wrote:
James Hare wrote:
The only reason why I can see two different Portuguese wikis is
because
the
two (majority) versions -- European Portuguese and Brazillian
Portuguese
--
are very different. Are they?
On 7/2/06, Luiz Augusto lugusto@gmail.com wrote:
> Sorry for my English. Recently, a newbie from Portuguese Wikipedia >
has
> proposed on meta a vote to create Wikipedia in european portuguese. >
He
> don't > talked about it with any editor from pt:Wikipedia and that proposal >
has
> discovered by me, accidentally. I send a note in Village Pump from > pt:wikipedia. More than 30 editors has voted against that proposal. > Unconsoled with this, he was suspended that voting and is imposing >
to,
in
> a > new vote about it, only europeans speakers can vote on it. > > Is all ok to the current rules for request a new language? > > > > >
As a fluent portuguese speaker, I have no idea why a vote of this
nature
must be restricted to only those who come from a certain country or continent. I am, however, opposed to this idea, as well as the
earlier
Brazilian Portuguese Wikipedia proposal that also failed. To me this sounds like somebody trying to establish rules that would make his
pet
project work, when there is strong opposition to the idea. I'll put more of my thoughts on the new language poll page to keep down
bandwidth.
-- Robert Scott Horning
foundation-l mailing list foundation-l@wikimedia.org http://mail.wikipedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l
Gerard Meijssen wrote:
Hoi, What "we" call Chinese is no longer considered a language.. http://www.sil.org/iso639-3/documentation.asp?id=zho Thanks, GerardM
It might not be a spoken language, but written Chinese is more or less one language.
2006/7/4, Paweł Dembowski fallout@lexx.eu.org:
Gerard Meijssen wrote:
Hoi, What "we" call Chinese is no longer considered a language.. http://www.sil.org/iso639-3/documentation.asp?id=zho Thanks, GerardM
It might not be a spoken language, but written Chinese is more or less one language.
Not really. Read:
http://pl.wikipedia.org/wiki/J%C4%99zyk_chi%C5%84ski
Tomasz Ganicz napisał:
It might not be a spoken language, but written Chinese is more or less one language.
Not really. Read:
Which confirms my statement.
W przypadku języka chińskiego należy także wyraźnie odróżniać język pisany i mówiony, przede wszystkim ze względu na użycie pisma morfosylabicznego, które nie notuje wymowy i przyczyniło się do wykształcenia i trwałości pisanego standardu.
Hoi, I do not know who you try to convince in Polish, but in order to /write /Kantonees, you need to extend the number of characters available to you. These were added in a later version of the Unicode standard. I do not know the situation for the other Chinese languages.
According to the Dutch text about Chinese, many people indicate that many people are not able to fully read texts and the CIA yearbook is quoted that there are 14% functionally not able to read and write. Given that learning written Chinese can be considered as difficult as learning a second language, this is understandable. Thanks, GerardM
Paweł Dembowski wrote:
Tomasz Ganicz napisał:
It might not be a spoken language, but written Chinese is more or less one language.
Not really. Read:
Which confirms my statement.
W przypadku języka chińskiego należy także wyraźnie odróżniać język pisany i mówiony, przede wszystkim ze względu na użycie pisma morfosylabicznego, które nie notuje wymowy i przyczyniło się do wykształcenia i trwałości pisanego standardu.
Luiz Augusto wrote:
Sorry for my English. Recently, a newbie from Portuguese Wikipedia has proposed on meta a vote to create Wikipedia in european portuguese. He don't talked about it with any editor from pt:Wikipedia and that proposal has discovered by me, accidentally. I send a note in Village Pump from pt:wikipedia. More than 30 editors has voted against that proposal. Unconsoled with this, he was suspended that voting and is imposing to, in a new vote about it, only europeans speakers can vote on it.
There will be no division of Portuguese into Brazilian and European without a huge amount of broad based support from many diverse parties, which as far as I am able to understand from past discussions, is just not going to happen.
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