Message: 4 Date: Mon, 7 Nov 2005 20:51:23 -0800 (PST) From: Daniel Mayer maveric149@yahoo.com Subject: Re: [Foundation-l] Wikinews is giving out press credentials To: Wikimedia Foundation Mailing List foundation-l@wikimedia.org Message-ID: 20051108045123.83078.qmail@web51611.mail.yahoo.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1
Credentials are given by organizations - not by just some people on the Internet (which is all any Wikimedia project is by itself). Using that term - in the real world where it has a specific meaning - to describe that process is very misleading.
In normal newspapers also the emplyment status and the wages are given by the organization More precisely the credential is given by the same organization is given by who recruit the journalist. Since here the "journalist" is not recruit by the Board, there is no reason why it should the only one entitle to give out creential.
In my Opinion what is misleading is the way normal journalist consider themselves.
Why should journalist be treated in a different way of normal people when asking for informations?
AnyFile
-- Any File anysomefile@gmail.com wrote:
More precisely the credential is given by the same organization is given by who recruit the journalist. Since here the "journalist" is not recruit by the Board, there is no reason why it should the only one entitle to give out creential.
The journalists in this case are self-recruited, volunteer their time, and come and go as they please. I also never said that the board should be in the business of accrediting anybody. All I want is some high level oversight over the existing community-run *process* of accreditation and for the board to give anybody who successfully goes through that process the permission to use the Wikimedia-owned marks and logos on their badges.
-- mav
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Any File wrote:
Credentials are given by organizations - not by just some people on the Internet (which is all any Wikimedia project is by itself). Using that term - in the real world where it has a specific meaning - to describe that process is very misleading.
In normal newspapers also the emplyment status and the wages are given by the organization More precisely the credential is given by the same organization is given by who recruit the journalist. Since here the "journalist" is not recruit by the Board, there is no reason why it should the only one entitle to give out creential.
I think you got mav very wrong here. He never said the Board should be the one giving out credentials. In fact, he stressed that the current process is good and the only thing it lacks is "officiality". To be official as far as logo and trademark usage is concerned there has to be a green light on the part of the trademark holder, i.e. WMF. The Boards role, as I understand it, would be simply to legitimize the decisions made by the community and, if something happens to go awfully wrong, step in and save the day.
In my Opinion what is misleading is the way normal journalist consider themselves.
Why should journalist be treated in a different way of normal people when asking for informations?
One step at a time, please. Consider: We're changing the media world simply by participating in this project. Article by article, step by step. Do not try to make big leaps, it's not gonna work. Not in this case, at least.
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