2008/10/1 foundation-l-request@lists.wikimedia.org:
Roberto, while I agree that in this mailing list the few important topics
gets buried under tons of noise, I don't think it's a good idea to add noise-only posts. I think your original post had some point, but then keeping discussing you're a troll no I'm not a troll is frankly pointless.
Marco (Cruccone)
Mhhh... sorry I'm using a language that I don't really know (you know), I'll try to be clearer.
<quote of the serious guy>
Before that post I tried to explain to him what is the problem with his position: articles inside of Wikipedia: name space are not necessarily NPOV articles. Note, also, that I ignored his ignorance (or lack of his cognitive power to process those informations) from the previous email where he just said that "it has no sense".
</quote>
CPOV is a something that is never been official policy of WMF project (yes I know that WMF has a POV, every one in the world as one: is a trivial sentence). I know that local community could have a local POV but I also know that we (as wikipedians I mean) have to build an enciclopedia not care about things different from this.
They, pms people, say that local language are better than other language and English is evil. I just **asked** if this is coherent with our purpose. Then they (serious guy and friends) start talking nonsense about not existent policy and call me nationalist troll. I wonder who is making noise here.
<references about the serious guy>
a) However, I see that this thread is started by a nationalist troll. b) You said that you will not write here anymore. Please, keep the promise. c) Put this one under moderation
</references about the serious guy>
Be careful.
On Sat, Oct 4, 2008 at 6:27 PM, Roberto Corda roberto.ilcorda@gmail.com wrote:
Mhhh... sorry I'm using a language that I don't really know (you know), I'll try to be clearer.
This is better, you started to discuss ;) Bad English is not a problem while it is understandable and I didn't see a problem in understanding meaning of your words.
CPOV is a something that is never been official policy of WMF project (yes I know that WMF has a POV, every one in the world as one: is a trivial sentence). I know that local community could have a local POV but I also know that we (as wikipedians I mean) have to build an enciclopedia not care about things different from this.
Of course that we should build one project in different languages. However, go to en.wp, read essays [1] there and you will see a lot of very POV articles. And while those articles are inside of Wikipedia: name space and reasonably worded they are not a problem.
They, pms people, say that local language are better than other language and English is evil. I just **asked** if this is coherent with our purpose. Then they (serious guy and friends) start talking nonsense about not existent policy and call me nationalist troll. I wonder who is making noise here.
The sense of the introduction [2] in the document is a romantic in favor of promoting local languages against cultural imperialism.
Anglo-Saxon cultural imperialism is bad, as any cultural imperialism is (Russian, French, Chinese, Spanish; even similar behavior at much smaller scale -- and thus not imperialisms, but cultural expansionisms or so, like Serbian or Italian are -- is bad). I don't see anything wrong with such statement inside of one essay. Actually, English Wikipedia has stronger statements about freedom of knowledge than pms has about local languages.
<references about the serious guy> > a) However, I see that this thread is started by a nationalist troll. > b) You said that you will not write here anymore. Please, keep the promise. > c) Put this one under moderation </references about the serious guy>
a) Up to this email you behaved like a troll. Nationalist reasons behind your first email are very obvious. b) You really said that you don't want to write here anymore. As you didn't try to discuss once more, but continued to troll the list, I asked you to keep your promise. c) Trolling is not acceptable; such persons should be moderated.
[1] - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category:Wikipedia_essays [2] - {{quote|Una de las principales finalidades de esta obra es de difundir la capacidad de leer y escribir, y de acostumbrar la población piamontesa al multilinguismo, al vislumbrarse la próxima revolución lingüística, que ya esta imponiendo el ingles como idioma técnico y fundamental califica de trabajo.}}
Hoi, When a project writes in another language then English, the purpose of that project is to be in that other language. When people come to such a project to discuss this that and the other in a language that is not the language of that project, you have people who cannot be involved interfering with the policies of that project.
When the Piedmontese Wikipedia is of the opinion that Italian or English is in principle not welcome, I think they are in their right to say so. It does not mean that all people who come to the pms.wikipedia.org will speak Piedmontese. I for one will continue to message them about the state of play at Betawiki for the Piedmontese localisation in English because I have no alternative.
So if self appointed bosses come to the pms wikipedia they can indeed be told where to go. Thanks, GerardM
On Sat, Oct 4, 2008 at 6:27 PM, Roberto Corda roberto.ilcorda@gmail.comwrote:
2008/10/1 foundation-l-request@lists.wikimedia.org:
Roberto, while I agree that in this mailing list the few important
topics
gets buried under tons of noise, I don't think it's a good idea to add noise-only posts. I think your original post had some point, but then keeping discussing you're a troll no I'm not a troll is frankly
pointless.
Marco (Cruccone)
Mhhh... sorry I'm using a language that I don't really know (you know), I'll try to be clearer.
<quote of the serious guy> > Before that post I tried to explain to him what is the problem with > his position: articles inside of Wikipedia: name space are not > necessarily NPOV articles. Note, also, that I ignored his ignorance > (or lack of his cognitive power to process those informations) from > the previous email where he just said that "it has no sense". </quote>
CPOV is a something that is never been official policy of WMF project (yes I know that WMF has a POV, every one in the world as one: is a trivial sentence). I know that local community could have a local POV but I also know that we (as wikipedians I mean) have to build an enciclopedia not care about things different from this.
They, pms people, say that local language are better than other language and English is evil. I just **asked** if this is coherent with our purpose. Then they (serious guy and friends) start talking nonsense about not existent policy and call me nationalist troll. I wonder who is making noise here.
<references about the serious guy> > a) However, I see that this thread is started by a nationalist troll. > b) You said that you will not write here anymore. Please, keep the promise. > c) Put this one under moderation </references about the serious guy>
Be careful.
-- Meno male che Silvio c'è
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