Message: 1 Date: Sat, 22 Oct 2011 23:51:14 +0200 From: Tobias Oelgarte tobias.oelgarte@googlemail.com Subject: Re: [Foundation-l] News from Germany: White Bags and thinking about a fork To: foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Message-ID: 4EA33AD2.6070005@googlemail.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed
Am 22.10.2011 23:44, schrieb Erik Moeller:
On Sat, Oct 22, 2011 at 1:50 PM, Tobias Oelgarte tobias.oelgarte@googlemail.com wrote:
No one said it would be evil. But since we already have working solutions for this projects, why do we need another, now global, solution, based on categories? Thats when it becomes hairy.
The Board of Trustees didn't pass a resolution asking for the implementation of a filter based on categories.
The Board asked Sue "in consultation with the community, to develop and implement a personal image hiding feature that will enable readers to easily hide images hosted on the projects that they do not wish to view, either when first viewing the image or ahead of time through preference settings."
Based on the consultation and discussion that's taken place so far, I think it's pretty safe to say that a uniform approach based on categories has about a snowball's chance in hell of actually being widely adopted, used and embraced by the community, if not triggering strong opposition and antagonism that's completely against our goals and our mission.
With that in mind, I would humbly propose that we kill with fire at this point the idea of a category-based image filtering system.
There are, however, approaches to empowering both editors and readers that do not necessarily suffer from the same problems.
Erik
I gladly agree that category based filtering should be off the table. It has way to many problems that we could justify it in any way.
What approaches do you have in mind, that would empower the editors and the readers, aside from an hide/show all solution?
nya~
Hi Tobias,
Do youhave any problems with this category free proposal http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/User:WereSpielChequers/filter
WereSpelChequers
Am 23.10.2011 01:49, schrieb WereSpielChequers:
Hi Tobias,
Do youhave any problems with this category free proposal http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/User:WereSpielChequers/filter
WereSpelChequers
The idea isn't bad. But it is based on the premise that there are enough users of the filter to build such correlations. It requires enough input to work properly and therefore enough users of the feature, that have longer lists. But how often does an average logged in user find such an image and handle accordingly? That would be relatively seldom, resulting in a very short own list, by relatively few users, which makes it hard to start the system (warm up time).
Since i love to find ways on how to exploit systems there is one simple thing on my mind. Just login to put a picture of penis/bondage/... on the list and than add another one of the football team you don't like. Repeat this step often enough and the system will believe that all users that don't like to see a penis would also not like to see images of that football team.
Another way would be: "I find everything offensive." This would hurt the system, since correlations would be much harder to find.
If we assume good faith, then it would probably work. But as soon we have spammers of this kind, it will lay in ruins, considering the amount of users and corresponding relatively short lists (in average).
Just my thoughts on this idea.
Greetings nya~
PS: Sorry for my miss-post. I answered someone else exactly this, quoting the wrong text :P
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