Hi all,
* Gerard Meijssen:
This user is the persona of a known anonymous vandal who has a history of using different IP-numbers.
...which could be his provider's policy, and cannot be used as a charge against him.
When he was banned for a week, he started with sockpupputs.
It is not proven the aliases were his. One of the aliases posted on Wikipedia that he is not the 'troll', and the 'troll' has always denied he had these sockpuppets.
In the mean time one users tried to mediate, but made the mistake to identify to much with one party and not listening to the others.
Not one user. A mediating committee has been created, on the initiative of this user. More people are part of this committee, including myself.
This user might have identified too much with one party, but on the other hand the other party did not really co-operate in the mediation.
It resulted in the discussion being moved to another wikipedia
Yes, the discussion turned into a chaos, and the person who initiated the mediating committee created a space on another wikipedia, where the mediating could take place without too much interference of other users.
For your information I am NOT involved in this quarrel.
But you did take a standpoint in the vote about a ban for the 'troll'.
(I tried only to make corrections, and to omit my personal opinion.)
Sander [[nl:Gebruiker:SanderSpek]]
Sander Spek wrote:
- Gerard Meijssen:
This user is the persona of a known anonymous vandal who has a history of using different IP-numbers.
...which could be his provider's policy, and cannot be used as a charge against him.
When he was banned for a week, he started with sockpupputs.
It is not proven the aliases were his. One of the aliases posted on Wikipedia that he is not the 'troll', and the 'troll' has always denied he had these sockpuppets.
Do you seriously expect a troll or sockpuppet to admit to being one? Like some evil genius at the end of a James Bond movie, or like the standard crook Peg-Leg Pete in a Mickey Mouse story? Come on...
I've seen one troll using one of his sockpuppets to attack another of his own sockpuppets, only to make others believe the two were not played by one and the same person. Nothing of this kind can surprise me anymore. I almost wish I had studied psychology instead of computer science. Sherry Turkle's ten year old "Life on Screen" is a good starter.
There is a simple solution: Ask the two to show up at a meeting IRL. If they refuse, consider them guilty of every accusation.
I've met Jimbo, Angela, Erik Möller, Elian, and a few other key Wikipedians IRL. I take the liberty to distrust everybody else.
On Fri, 1 Apr 2005 02:09:32 +0200 (CEST), Lars Aronsson lars@aronsson.se wrote:
There is a simple solution: Ask the two to show up at a meeting IRL. If they refuse, consider them guilty of every accusation.
I've met Jimbo, Angela, Erik Möller, Elian, and a few other key Wikipedians IRL. I take the liberty to distrust everybody else.
-- Lars Aronsson (lars@aronsson.se) Aronsson Datateknik - http://aronsson.se
Sorry, but how does having seen Jimbo in real life prove that he doesnt have sock-puppets?
-[[User:The bellman]]
Robin Shannon wrote:
Sorry, but how does having seen Jimbo in real life prove that he doesnt have sock-puppets?
It doesn't, of course. But that is not really relevant, is it? I'd talk with the person, but not with some anonymous user account, even though it just might be a sock puppet of the Queen of England.
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