Mr. Brandt has posted a long listing of articles to his website making allegations of plagurism of wikipedia articles from copyrighted sources.
http://www.wikipedia-watch.org/psamples.html
Some editors may want to investigate these claims to determine if the articles were copied from (Wikipedia -> these sites) or the other way around (these sites -> Wikipedia).
I did receive a notice on a couple of the articles I had uploaded to Wikigadugi from the XML dumps along with some comments about "looking into possible copyright infringement" from one of the sites Brandt references which brought this matter to my attention in the first place. Someone should probably go over these articles and determine if these claims have merit.
I am not going to take down anythig from Wikigadugi right now since I am unable to determine if the articles were copied FROM Wikipedia or the other way around.
Jeff
On 10/23/06, Jeff V. Merkey jmerkey@wolfmountaingroup.com wrote:
Mr. Brandt has posted a long listing of articles to his website making allegations of plagurism of wikipedia articles from copyrighted sources.
Good fortune is when you can count on your detractors to help you with your goals. :)
In any case, I wish Brandt had done a little more homework because while I have no doubt that some of his findings are legitimate problems, some of them quite clearly are not.
For example, his second case, [[Charles Wheatstone]], has a large amount of text copied from Heroes of the Telegraph by John Munro (1849-1930) [http://onlinebooks.library.upenn.edu/webbin/gutbook/lookup?num=979]. This has been documented on the talk page all along. Brandt claims the text came from some other site but what we have is a case of another site copying the PD text without attribution. A good example of why attribution is important even when not required by law.
In any case, waiting a week or two then taking those articles from the next dump should resolve any problems which you've had.
I find it interesting that people would complain to you prior to complaining to Wikipedia.
Gregory Maxwell wrote:
On 10/23/06, Jeff V. Merkey jmerkey@wolfmountaingroup.com wrote:
Mr. Brandt has posted a long listing of articles to his website making allegations of plagurism of wikipedia articles from copyrighted sources.
Good fortune is when you can count on your detractors to help you with your goals. :)
In any case, I wish Brandt had done a little more homework because while I have no doubt that some of his findings are legitimate problems, some of them quite clearly are not.
For example, his second case, [[Charles Wheatstone]], has a large amount of text copied from Heroes of the Telegraph by John Munro (1849-1930) [http://onlinebooks.library.upenn.edu/webbin/gutbook/lookup?num=979]. This has been documented on the talk page all along. Brandt claims the text came from some other site but what we have is a case of another site copying the PD text without attribution. A good example of why attribution is important even when not required by law.
In any case, waiting a week or two then taking those articles from the next dump should resolve any problems which you've had.
I find it interesting that people would complain to you prior to complaining to Wikipedia.
I suspect the complaints came both directions. Also, remember, My site is watched like a hawk from a large list of detractors. They fire off emails to my ISP is a constant deluge. The complaint came from my ISP directly after they received an email from someone (Al Petrofsky I suspect).
Jeff
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Jeff V. Merkey wrote:
Gregory Maxwell wrote:
On 10/23/06, Jeff V. Merkey jmerkey@wolfmountaingroup.com wrote:
Mr. Brandt has posted a long listing of articles to his website making allegations of plagurism of wikipedia articles from copyrighted sources.
Good fortune is when you can count on your detractors to help you with your goals. :)
In any case, I wish Brandt had done a little more homework because while I have no doubt that some of his findings are legitimate problems, some of them quite clearly are not.
For example, his second case, [[Charles Wheatstone]], has a large amount of text copied from Heroes of the Telegraph by John Munro (1849-1930) [http://onlinebooks.library.upenn.edu/webbin/gutbook/lookup?num=979]. This has been documented on the talk page all along. Brandt claims the text came from some other site but what we have is a case of another site copying the PD text without attribution. A good example of why attribution is important even when not required by law.
In any case, waiting a week or two then taking those articles from the next dump should resolve any problems which you've had.
I find it interesting that people would complain to you prior to complaining to Wikipedia.
I suspect the complaints came both directions. Also, remember, My site is watched like a hawk from a large list of detractors. They fire off emails to my ISP is a constant deluge. The complaint came from my ISP directly after they received an email from someone (Al Petrofsky I suspect).
Jeff
They also have me listed in several image sites claiming I have images from Wikipedia that are copvio and both my site and WP are in violation. Since I have not seen any DMCA takedown notices, I don't know which images they are referring to. Again, more of the detractors and their whining.
... "Like being gummed to death by guppies...I just ignore them unless I see something more official".
Jeff
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On 10/23/06, Jeff V. Merkey jmerkey@wolfmountaingroup.com wrote:
Mr. Brandt has posted a long listing of articles to his website making allegations of plagurism of wikipedia articles from copyrighted sources.
http://www.wikipedia-watch.org/psamples.html
Some editors may want to investigate these claims to determine if the articles were copied from (Wikipedia -> these sites) or the other way around (these sites -> Wikipedia).
I did receive a notice on a couple of the articles I had uploaded to Wikigadugi from the XML dumps along with some comments about "looking into possible copyright infringement" from one of the sites Brandt references which brought this matter to my attention in the first place. Someone should probably go over these articles and determine if these claims have merit.
I am not going to take down anythig from Wikigadugi right now since I am unable to determine if the articles were copied FROM Wikipedia or the other way around.
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I picked two at random - I can't get to his info page on [[John Glover (general)]], and the info on the [[Julius L. Meier]] page does at first glance seem a copyvio, but someone seems to have nuked the WP page recently. The text Brandt cites seems to be consistent with Google's cache.
Can someone with an admin bit inform us who's deleting these articles (or if that was the only one, that one...)?
On 10/23/06, George Herbert george.herbert@gmail.com wrote:
I picked two at random - I can't get to his info page on [[John Glover (general)]], and the info on the [[Julius L. Meier]] page does at first glance seem a copyvio, but someone seems to have nuked the WP page recently. The text Brandt cites seems to be consistent with Google's cache.
Can someone with an admin bit inform us who's deleting these articles (or if that was the only one, that one...)?
Me to a large extent with help from W.marsh.
We sorted this out last night:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/WP:AN#Plagiarism_Detector_Bot
On 10/23/06, geni geniice@gmail.com wrote:
On 10/23/06, George Herbert george.herbert@gmail.com wrote:
I picked two at random - I can't get to his info page on [[John Glover (general)]], and the info on the [[Julius L. Meier]] page does at first glance seem a copyvio, but someone seems to have nuked the WP page recently. The text Brandt cites seems to be consistent with Google's
cache.
Can someone with an admin bit inform us who's deleting these articles
(or if
that was the only one, that one...)?
Me to a large extent with help from W.marsh.
We sorted this out last night:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/WP:AN#Plagiarism_Detector_Bot
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Are you sure that the removals were appropriate? On first inspection, several of them seemed to be relatively minor and repairable plagarism.
On 10/23/06, George Herbert george.herbert@gmail.com wrote:
Are you sure that the removals were appropriate? On first inspection, several of them seemed to be relatively minor and repairable plagarism.
I've been dealing with copyvios for long enough to know what I'm doing despite what certian people think. In any case due to the GFDL "fixing" would present issues.
On 10/23/06, Jeff V. Merkey jmerkey@wolfmountaingroup.com wrote:
Mr. Brandt has posted a long listing of articles to his website making allegations of plagurism of wikipedia articles from copyrighted sources.
http://www.wikipedia-watch.org/psamples.html
Some editors may want to investigate these claims to determine if the articles were copied from (Wikipedia -> these sites) or the other way around (these sites -> Wikipedia).
I did receive a notice on a couple of the articles I had uploaded to Wikigadugi from the XML dumps along with some comments about "looking into possible copyright infringement" from one of the sites Brandt references which brought this matter to my attention in the first place. Someone should probably go over these articles and determine if these claims have merit.
I am not going to take down anythig from Wikigadugi right now since I am unable to determine if the articles were copied FROM Wikipedia or the other way around.
Brandt is nothing more than a troll.
Any genuine anti-plagiarism bot would at least look at article histories whether the allegedly "plagiarized" part was added at once (possible plagiarism) or build step by step (definitely plagiarism the other way). The trollbot doesn't do that because it's not interested in truth, just in building an impresive list of mostly false cases to attract attention.
Just one example (the very first I looked at): * http://www.wikipedia-watch.org/plagiarism/0233.html * http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Henryk_Sienkiewicz
The trollbot might have found some actual plagiarism by chance (with so many cases it isn't completely unlikely that at least one is genuine), but most of them are certainly fakes, so I suggest completely ignoring the troll and the trollbot.
On 10/23/06, Tomasz Wegrzanowski tomasz.wegrzanowski@gmail.com wrote:
Brandt is nothing more than a troll. Any genuine anti-plagiarism bot would at least look at article histories whether the allegedly "plagiarized" part was added at once (possible plagiarism) or build step by step (definitely plagiarism the other way). The trollbot doesn't do that because it's not interested in truth, just in building an impresive list of mostly false cases to attract attention.
[snip]
No need for emotion. When he is helpful (intentionally or otherwise) we should take his help, when he is not we should ignore him.
Having a bot check the history isn't so trivial, in any case.
More on topic: A box of cookies for whomever ports the recent enwiki automated detection advances (wherebot for example) to some of the other languages which may currently be getting less oversight.
Mr. Merkey, you just may have what it takes to win a free box of cookies from Greg Maxwell.
On 10/23/06, Gregory Maxwell gmaxwell@gmail.com wrote:
On 10/23/06, Tomasz Wegrzanowski tomasz.wegrzanowski@gmail.com wrote:
Brandt is nothing more than a troll. Any genuine anti-plagiarism bot would at least look at article histories whether the allegedly "plagiarized" part was added at once (possible plagiarism) or build step by step (definitely plagiarism the other way). The trollbot doesn't do that because it's not interested in truth, just in building an impresive list of mostly false cases to attract attention.
[snip]
No need for emotion. When he is helpful (intentionally or otherwise) we should take his help, when he is not we should ignore him.
Having a bot check the history isn't so trivial, in any case.
More on topic: A box of cookies for whomever ports the recent enwiki automated detection advances (wherebot for example) to some of the other languages which may currently be getting less oversight. _______________________________________________ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l@wikimedia.org http://mail.wikipedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l
James Hare wrote:
Mr. Merkey, you just may have what it takes to win a free box of cookies from Greg Maxwell.
On 10/23/06, Gregory Maxwell gmaxwell@gmail.com wrote:
On 10/23/06, Tomasz Wegrzanowski tomasz.wegrzanowski@gmail.com wrote:
Brandt is nothing more than a troll. Any genuine anti-plagiarism bot would at least look at article histories whether the allegedly "plagiarized" part was added at once (possible plagiarism) or build step by step (definitely plagiarism the other way). The trollbot doesn't do that because it's not interested in truth, just in building an impresive list of mostly false cases to attract attention.
[snip]
No need for emotion. When he is helpful (intentionally or otherwise) we should take his help, when he is not we should ignore him.
Having a bot check the history isn't so trivial, in any case.
More on topic: A box of cookies for whomever ports the recent enwiki automated detection advances (wherebot for example) to some of the other languages which may currently be getting less oversight. _______________________________________________ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l@wikimedia.org http://mail.wikipedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l
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I can take care of Cherokee and the Native Languages.
They will have a hard time evern KNOWING if its a copyvio in Cherokee since only we can read it.
Jeff
On 10/23/06, Gregory Maxwell gmaxwell@gmail.com wrote:
No need for emotion. When he is helpful (intentionally or otherwise) we should take his help, when he is not we should ignore him.
Having a bot check the history isn't so trivial, in any case.
The problem being the increased number of versions although I think there is talk of working from databse dumps.
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