It's now the afternoon of the 17th (UTC), and this list—of which I have the dubious distinction of being custodian—hasn't seen a single thread about the WMF board election results.
I'm honestly not sure if I should be proud of or disappointed with you guys. In any case, I beg your forgiveness when I myself ask:
What are the results, and why haven't they been released yet?
Austin
Latest update from the election officials: http://meta.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=Talk%3ABoard_elections%2F2011&am... * * Tom * * On 17 June 2011 12:53, Austin Hair adhair@gmail.com wrote:
It's now the afternoon of the 17th (UTC), and this list—of which I have the dubious distinction of being custodian—hasn't seen a single thread about the WMF board election results.
I'm honestly not sure if I should be proud of or disappointed with you guys. In any case, I beg your forgiveness when I myself ask:
What are the results, and why haven't they been released yet?
Austin
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Austin Hair wrote:
What are the results, and why haven't they been released yet?
Matanya wrote:
I'm really sorry no word was said until now, but we have some technical problems. We have been working on them for last 24h, and hope they are solved. I hope (no guarantees), that results will be out in the next 24h. Sorry Matanya 14:14, 16 June 2011 (UTC)
Source: http://meta.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?diff=2667116&oldid=2666426
Naturally I assume "technical problems" is a euphemism.
The Election Committee seems to have completely dropped the ball, either in setting an unrealistic deadline and/or in not effectively communicating why it's been unable to meet the deadline. Pages such as http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Board_elections/2011/Results/en have simply seen their verb tense shifted. For something of this importance, the whole situation is really rather unacceptable.
MZMcBride
Yes, I find this situation, especially on the part of the election committee, as something between a sign of disrespect and a sign of indifference. I think the thousands of voters and the 19 candidates, who have spent a lot of time in their pursuing their candidacy, deserve better than this.
Can someone from the election committee give us a better status report?
Harel Cain Wikimedia Israel / Hebrew Wikipedia
On Fri, Jun 17, 2011 at 15:06, MZMcBride z@mzmcbride.com wrote:
Austin Hair wrote:
What are the results, and why haven't they been released yet?
Matanya wrote:
I'm really sorry no word was said until now, but we have some technical problems. We have been working on them for last 24h, and hope they are solved. I hope (no guarantees), that results will be out in the next 24h. Sorry Matanya 14:14, 16 June 2011 (UTC)
Source: http://meta.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?diff=2667116&oldid=2666426
Naturally I assume "technical problems" is a euphemism.
The Election Committee seems to have completely dropped the ball, either in setting an unrealistic deadline and/or in not effectively communicating why it's been unable to meet the deadline. Pages such as http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Board_elections/2011/Results/en have simply seen their verb tense shifted. For something of this importance, the whole situation is really rather unacceptable.
MZMcBride
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2011/6/17 Austin Hair adhair@gmail.com:
It's now the afternoon of the 17th (UTC), and this list—of which I have the dubious distinction of being custodian—hasn't seen a single thread about the WMF board election results.
I'm honestly not sure if I should be proud of or disappointed with you guys.
Proud :)
2011/6/17 MZMcBride z@mzmcbride.com:
The Election Committee seems to have completely dropped the ball, either in setting an unrealistic deadline and/or in not effectively communicating why it's been unable to meet the deadline.
It may be true, but please calm down. They are volunteers, too.
-- Amir Elisha Aharoni · אָמִיר אֱלִישָׁע אַהֲרוֹנִי http://aharoni.wordpress.com "We're living in pieces, I want to live in peace." - T. Moore
Update from Mardetanha:
http://meta.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?diff=2669988&oldid=2669838&rci...
"As far as I can say, we are very hopeful that we can announce the results within several hours, we are almost done *Mardetanha*http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/User:Mardetanha talk http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Mardetanha 13:24, 17 June 2011 (UTC)"
Thehelpfulone
On 17 June 2011 13:36, Amir E. Aharoni amir.aharoni@mail.huji.ac.il wrote:
2011/6/17 Austin Hair adhair@gmail.com:
It's now the afternoon of the 17th (UTC), and this list—of which I have the dubious distinction of being custodian—hasn't seen a single thread about the WMF board election results.
I'm honestly not sure if I should be proud of or disappointed with you guys.
Proud :)
2011/6/17 MZMcBride z@mzmcbride.com:
The Election Committee seems to have completely dropped the ball, either
in
setting an unrealistic deadline and/or in not effectively communicating
why
it's been unable to meet the deadline.
It may be true, but please calm down. They are volunteers, too.
-- Amir Elisha Aharoni · אָמִיר אֱלִישָׁע אַהֲרוֹנִי http://aharoni.wordpress.com "We're living in pieces, I want to live in peace." - T. Moore
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Amir E. Aharoni wrote:
2011/6/17 MZMcBride z@mzmcbride.com:
The Election Committee seems to have completely dropped the ball, either in setting an unrealistic deadline and/or in not effectively communicating why it's been unable to meet the deadline.
It may be true, but please calm down. They are volunteers, too.
I'm told volunteers are capable of editing wiki pages and posting to mailing lists. I haven't been able to independently verify this, though.
MZMcBride
Domas Mituzas wrote:
I'm told volunteers are capable of editing wiki pages and posting to mailing lists. I haven't been able to independently verify this, though.
I'm told that some volunteers can be extremely obnoxious too.
Eh, don't be so hard on yourself. Sometimes you have something useful to say.
MZMcBride
On Fri, Jun 17, 2011 at 4:05 PM, MZMcBride z@mzmcbride.com wrote:
Domas Mituzas wrote:
I'm told volunteers are capable of editing wiki pages and posting to mailing lists. I haven't been able to independently verify this, though.
I'm told that some volunteers can be extremely obnoxious too.
Eh, don't be so hard on yourself. Sometimes you have something useful to say.
Now, now, everyone be nice. The moderation button isn't that far from me.
Austin
I only want to rephrase what I said back at the beginning of the thread: it's perfectly understandable if things run late (huh, Wikimania taught me this first hand). It's just that little one-sentence update on the results page that was missing and would have spared us this thread.
Now, some more patience - I'll go drink something :)
Shabbat Shalom from Jerusalem,
Harel
On Fri, Jun 17, 2011 at 17:09, Austin Hair adhair@gmail.com wrote:
On Fri, Jun 17, 2011 at 4:05 PM, MZMcBride z@mzmcbride.com wrote:
Domas Mituzas wrote:
I'm told volunteers are capable of editing wiki pages and posting to mailing lists. I haven't been able to independently verify this,
though.
I'm told that some volunteers can be extremely obnoxious too.
Eh, don't be so hard on yourself. Sometimes you have something useful to say.
Now, now, everyone be nice. The moderation button isn't that far from me.
Austin
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Results are out.
http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Board_elections/2011/Results/en
Theo
On Fri, Jun 17, 2011 at 8:04 PM, Harel Cain harel.cain@gmail.com wrote:
I only want to rephrase what I said back at the beginning of the thread: it's perfectly understandable if things run late (huh, Wikimania taught me this first hand). It's just that little one-sentence update on the results page that was missing and would have spared us this thread.
Now, some more patience - I'll go drink something :)
Shabbat Shalom from Jerusalem,
Harel
On Fri, Jun 17, 2011 at 17:09, Austin Hair adhair@gmail.com wrote:
On Fri, Jun 17, 2011 at 4:05 PM, MZMcBride z@mzmcbride.com wrote:
Domas Mituzas wrote:
I'm told volunteers are capable of editing wiki pages and posting to mailing lists. I haven't been able to independently verify this,
though.
I'm told that some volunteers can be extremely obnoxious too.
Eh, don't be so hard on yourself. Sometimes you have something useful
to
say.
Now, now, everyone be nice. The moderation button isn't that far from me.
Austin
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Congratulations!! and thanks for the fun experience of running for the board...
One thing the board might want to concern itself with now is how to allow for more change in the next elections, in other words how to counteract the built-in advantages of the incumbent(s), which in the board elections is even bigger than in usual political elections.
Harel Cain Wikimedia Israel / Hebrew Wikipedia
On Fri, Jun 17, 2011 at 17:58, Nathan nawrich@gmail.com wrote:
Congrats Ting, Sj and Kat on your re-election.
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On Fri, Jun 17, 2011 at 8:13 AM, Harel Cain harel.cain@gmail.com wrote:
One thing the board might want to concern itself with now is how to allow for more change in the next elections, in other words how to counteract the built-in advantages of the incumbent(s), which in the board elections is even bigger than in usual political elections.
I suspect the board will recruit, formally or informally, the top n runners-up to help provide the usual "new blood"ish infusion that a normal election result provides. The global community wants to keep the keys in the current hands, but it did also point out others it likes, and we should be sure to keep engaging them at the movement-wide strategy level.
Alec
On Fri, Jun 17, 2011 at 11:19 AM, Alec Conroy alecmconroy@gmail.com wrote:
I suspect the board will recruit, formally or informally, the top n runners-up to help provide the usual "new blood"ish infusion that a normal election result provides. The global community wants to keep the keys in the current hands, but it did also point out others it likes, and we should be sure to keep engaging them at the movement-wide strategy level.
Most of these people are already involved in the foundation and meta-level, which is why they ran for the board in the first place.
On 17 June 2011 16:19, Alec Conroy alecmconroy@gmail.com wrote:
I suspect the board will recruit, formally or informally, the top n runners-up to help provide the usual "new blood"ish infusion that a normal election result provides. The global community wants to keep the keys in the current hands, but it did also point out others it likes, and we should be sure to keep engaging them at the movement-wide strategy level.
I think this is an essential next step. Being volunteered into a job is the standard reward for showing competence in public ...
- d.
Congrats Ting, Sj and Kat on your re-election.
Congrats to all the participants, particularly the three re-elected incumbents: I think this was the single most predictable single outcome-- we can poke and prod individual candidates, but collectively, _as a board_ , they've never done anything too controversial. The servers keep running, the lights stay on, and the funding looks great. Re-electing all incumbents is a credit to the individuals in question and to the foundation organization as a whole.
Good work everyone! Special thanks to the election committee members who had so much work to do in this process.
Alec
On 6/17/2011 7:54 AM, Theo10011 wrote:
Results are out.
http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Board_elections/2011/Results/en
Congratulations to Ting, SJ, and Kat, I'm glad that you will be continuing in your good work! Thanks also to the election committee, and just to remind them that they are not done - I'm certain people are interested in seeing the full results matrix as well, so it would be appreciated if they can release that at some point.
--Michael Snow
Congrats Ting, Sj and Kat ... Well deserved.
I personally wished to see at least one new face, though. :)
Regards Tinu Cherian
On Fri, Jun 17, 2011 at 8:24 PM, Theo10011 de10011@gmail.com wrote:
Results are out.
http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Board_elections/2011/Results/en
Theo
On Fri, Jun 17, 2011 at 8:04 PM, Harel Cain harel.cain@gmail.com wrote:
I only want to rephrase what I said back at the beginning of the thread: it's perfectly understandable if things run late (huh, Wikimania taught
me
this first hand). It's just that little one-sentence update on the
results
page that was missing and would have spared us this thread.
Now, some more patience - I'll go drink something :)
Shabbat Shalom from Jerusalem,
Harel
On Fri, Jun 17, 2011 at 17:09, Austin Hair adhair@gmail.com wrote:
On Fri, Jun 17, 2011 at 4:05 PM, MZMcBride z@mzmcbride.com wrote:
Domas Mituzas wrote:
I'm told volunteers are capable of editing wiki pages and posting
to
mailing lists. I haven't been able to independently verify this,
though.
I'm told that some volunteers can be extremely obnoxious too.
Eh, don't be so hard on yourself. Sometimes you have something useful
to
say.
Now, now, everyone be nice. The moderation button isn't that far from
me.
Austin
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On 06/17/2011 10:54 AM, Theo10011 wrote:
Results are out.
http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Board_elections/2011/Results/en
Congratulations on the incumbents for their reelections.
I must admit that I am simultaneously disappointed and a little bit relieved that I wasn't elected. It's a tough crowd you face.
-- Coren / Marc
Thank you all for your congratulations and your support!
(And congratulations to the rest of the candidates, whose leadership and dedication are obvious in chapters, committees, and other projects; I look forward to continuing to work with you.)
Cheers, Kat
First, congratulations to reelected Board members! As a steward and member of some committees, I had very good cooperation with them, and I am sure that we'll have in the future, too.
Second, I would like to thank to all of those who voted for me and especially to all of those who didn't. I couldn't imagine better result for myself personally: * While I know that changes are important for all of us, I am a bit anxious about changes in my life. As nothing has changed, I am quite happy. * A lot of Wikimedians voted for me, which means that my work matters to the significant portion of the community. That gives more reasons to me to continue my present work. * Finally and most importantly, I wouldn't have to fulfill my electoral promises.
As I said, I am quite happy with the results. Important issues, like community participation in decision-making processes, have been opened during the elections; some of them have been opened before the elections. I am here to stay and work on them.
Hello all,
at first thank you all for take part in the election, especially to the volunteers on the Elections Committee. As most of organizing-an-event-job, there are always a lot of work that the attendees of the events don't necessarily see. I also want to thank everyone who take part in the voting. Whoever you have voted, it is an important feedback for us all, and an important feedback for our works in the past and our works ahead. Many thanks to the candidates who had competed in a very fair and civil manner. The exchange of ideas and views with all of you is very refreshing and gives me new impulses. A very special thank this time to Alec McConroy, who had put up very tough questions and as soon as I had caught breath (see below), I will continue our conversation on meta.
Actually in this year I got the news of the election result later than most of you. I was mostly on travel last week, and had visited Almaty, Kazakhstan. Something really remarkable is happenning there. Our volunteers there had started to organize a nationwide movement and had found support in the politics, companies and media. The Kazakh Encyclopedia had decided to put its up-to-date 16-band encyclopedia under a free licence. There are initiatives in the parliament to make the copyright law more clear and supportive in respect of free-licenses, and the biggest national welfare fund "Samruk-Kazyna" had decided to fund activities to build up the Kazakh Wikipedia. Our volunteers there are going to start ambassador programs in the universities in Almaty and had set the very ambitious goal to expand the Kazakh Wikipedia into 200k articles until December 16th, the 20th independance day of the Republic Kazakhstan, not by using bots, but by writing and translating qualified articles. That would mean about ten fold of the article amount than at the moment. It was on my way from airport back how when I got the first congratulations, before I got know the result.
And tomorrow I am going to Den Bosch to celebrate with our volunteers in the Netherlands 10 Years Netherlandish Wikipedia.
It is by chance that these two events lye so near by each other, but I also think that there is an intrinsic link between them. It is our work until now, and I mean really OUR, every volunteer, that inspire and attract new people from around the world. Our success hetherto shows how a world of sharing and a world of free knowledge could look like. It is really true, that we are building a heritage, a world heritage, recognized officially or not. It is a world heritage because so many people, from so many places, put their hands on it. All of us collected it, shaped it, byte by byte, section by section.
And because of this, as in every of my speech, my best and sincere thank, goes to our volunteers, every single one of you.
Greetings Ting
On 17.06.2011 16:54, wrote Theo10011:
Results are out.
http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Board_elections/2011/Results/en
Theo
On Fri, Jun 17, 2011 at 8:04 PM, Harel Cainharel.cain@gmail.com wrote:
I only want to rephrase what I said back at the beginning of the thread: it's perfectly understandable if things run late (huh, Wikimania taught me this first hand). It's just that little one-sentence update on the results page that was missing and would have spared us this thread.
Now, some more patience - I'll go drink something :)
Shabbat Shalom from Jerusalem,
Harel
On Fri, Jun 17, 2011 at 17:09, Austin Hairadhair@gmail.com wrote:
On Fri, Jun 17, 2011 at 4:05 PM, MZMcBridez@mzmcbride.com wrote:
Domas Mituzas wrote:
I'm told volunteers are capable of editing wiki pages and posting to mailing lists. I haven't been able to independently verify this,
though.
I'm told that some volunteers can be extremely obnoxious too.
Eh, don't be so hard on yourself. Sometimes you have something useful
to
say.
Now, now, everyone be nice. The moderation button isn't that far from me.
Austin
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Congratulations to Ting, SJ and Kat! I'm sure you are going to keep on the good work and to address some of the things that have been said in this election.
Good luck!
Patricio
On Friday, June 17, 2011, Patricio Lorente patricio.lorente@gmail.com wrote:
Congratulations to Ting, SJ and Kat!
Thank you Patricio, and all who shared congratulations.
This is a tricky time for the projects and the Foundation - we are squarely facing a drop in participation for the first time. Among other things, we need fresh ideas and insights more than ever.
So I sympathize with Tinu - change is important. - and with Harel, we should take care to balance the advantages of incumbency. A longer period for debate and questions and translation, and an official debate or set of well-organized questions, would help.
Patricio writes:
I'm sure you are going to keep on the good work and to address some of the things that have been said in this election.
I thought you in particular made some excellent points about equity in communication and accountable governance. I hope you will continue to push for your suggestions.
Regards, SJ
Hello Everyone,
As the Board Liaison for the election committee I would like to ask for a little more patience on their behalf.
Our chosen election system has several checks and balances and it does not help matters that we are making use of an independent third party and are spread out across several time zones.
Thank you Amir, as you stated: they are volunteers too. And I recall it was very hard trying to get people to volunteer for this rather thankless job (please feel free to volunteer for the next elections)
That being said, I think you will not have to wait much longer. The election committee is taking the final steps towards publishing the results.
Jan-Bart de Vreede Board Liaison Election Committee
On Jun 17, 2011, at 2:36 PM, Amir E. Aharoni wrote:
2011/6/17 Austin Hair adhair@gmail.com:
It's now the afternoon of the 17th (UTC), and this list—of which I have the dubious distinction of being custodian—hasn't seen a single thread about the WMF board election results.
I'm honestly not sure if I should be proud of or disappointed with you guys.
Proud :)
2011/6/17 MZMcBride z@mzmcbride.com:
The Election Committee seems to have completely dropped the ball, either in setting an unrealistic deadline and/or in not effectively communicating why it's been unable to meet the deadline.
It may be true, but please calm down. They are volunteers, too.
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On 6/17/2011 9:31 AM, Jan-Bart de Vreede wrote:
Hello Everyone,
As the Board Liaison for the election committee I would like to ask for a little more patience on their behalf.
Our chosen election system has several checks and balances and it does not help matters that we are making use of an independent third party and are spread out across several time zones.
Thank you Amir, as you stated: they are volunteers too. And I recall it was very hard trying to get people to volunteer for this rather thankless job (please feel free to volunteer for the next elections)
That being said, I think you will not have to wait much longer. The election committee is taking the final steps towards publishing the results.
Jan-Bart de Vreede Board Liaison Election Committee
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Thank you for this update, we appreciate it. I am disappointed that these potential problems weren't thought about previously when choosing to use a third-party. In the future, I think we need to come up with a list of potential problems to prevent situations like this.
Hi
Just to make sure we don't jump to the wrong conclusion.
This is my fourth Board election. Every time we have relied on Software in the Public Interest (http://www.spi-inc.org/) do be the trusted third party. Every time they have been extremely fast and flexible in their volunteer services towards us. I am extremely grateful for all that they have done.
But when a call for volunteers is made, and their timezones differ from each other, the office (and tech support) and SPI-Inc, that complicates matters when several checks are needed to confirm and verify.
Jan-Bart
On Jun 17, 2011, at 3:33 PM, Joe Gazz84 wrote:
On 6/17/2011 9:31 AM, Jan-Bart de Vreede wrote:
Hello Everyone,
As the Board Liaison for the election committee I would like to ask for a little more patience on their behalf.
Our chosen election system has several checks and balances and it does not help matters that we are making use of an independent third party and are spread out across several time zones.
Thank you Amir, as you stated: they are volunteers too. And I recall it was very hard trying to get people to volunteer for this rather thankless job (please feel free to volunteer for the next elections)
That being said, I think you will not have to wait much longer. The election committee is taking the final steps towards publishing the results.
Jan-Bart de Vreede Board Liaison Election Committee
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Thank you for this update, we appreciate it. I am disappointed that these potential problems weren't thought about previously when choosing to use a third-party. In the future, I think we need to come up with a list of potential problems to prevent situations like this.
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On Fri, Jun 17, 2011 at 9:48 AM, Jan-Bart de Vreede janbart@wikimedia.org wrote:
Hi
Just to make sure we don't jump to the wrong conclusion.
This is my fourth Board election. Every time we have relied on Software in the Public Interest (http://www.spi-inc.org/) do be the trusted third party. Every time they have been extremely fast and flexible in their volunteer services towards us. I am extremely grateful for all that they have done.
But when a call for volunteers is made, and their timezones differ from each other, the office (and tech support) and SPI-Inc, that complicates matters when several checks are needed to confirm and verify.
Jan-Bart
Perfectly reasonable. Best way to forestall criticism in future elections is to just be open and communicative -- before the results are late.
On Fri, Jun 17, 2011 at 3:31 PM, Jan-Bart de Vreede janbart@wikimedia.org wrote:
As the Board Liaison for the election committee I would like to ask for a little more patience on their behalf.
Our chosen election system has several checks and balances and it does not help matters that we are making use of an independent third party and are spread out across several time zones.
Thank you Amir, as you stated: they are volunteers too. And I recall it was very hard trying to get people to volunteer for this rather thankless job (please feel free to volunteer for the next elections)
It shouldn't be thankless, so let me express my sincere appreciation to Abbas, Jon, Mardetanha, Matanya, and Ryan. I know that it's not easy, and I know that getting it right is more important than getting it fast.
I won't speak for anyone else's motivations, but let me be clear that I was only looking for something, anything, updating us on an overdue deadline that many of us—the candidates, surely not the least—are eagerly awaiting.
And yes, it's easy to let personal curiosity get overtaken by a feeling of righteous indignation, but I have to say that a message from ElecCom would have been really nice.
Austin
On 6/17/2011 10:01 AM, Austin Hair wrote:
On Fri, Jun 17, 2011 at 3:31 PM, Jan-Bart de Vreede janbart@wikimedia.org wrote:
As the Board Liaison for the election committee I would like to ask for a little more patience on their behalf.
Our chosen election system has several checks and balances and it does not help matters that we are making use of an independent third party and are spread out across several time zones.
Thank you Amir, as you stated: they are volunteers too. And I recall it was very hard trying to get people to volunteer for this rather thankless job (please feel free to volunteer for the next elections)
It shouldn't be thankless, so let me express my sincere appreciation to Abbas, Jon, Mardetanha, Matanya, and Ryan. I know that it's not easy, and I know that getting it right is more important than getting it fast.
I won't speak for anyone else's motivations, but let me be clear that I was only looking for something, anything, updating us on an overdue deadline that many of us—the candidates, surely not the least—are eagerly awaiting.
And yes, it's easy to let personal curiosity get overtaken by a feeling of righteous indignation, but I have to say that a message from ElecCom would have been really nice.
Austin
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I too fully appreciate the committee, I never meant to come across where I didn't appreciate them. There is absolutely no way that this election could be done without this committee. This shouldn't be a thankless committee. I just was not fully aware of the reasons for the late results, now that I am, it makes it much easier to understand.
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