We've got a new set of servers coming in South Korea real soon, and are talking about the possibility of additional data centers elsewhere in Europe.
With our current software system it's relatively straightforward to move whole wikis to separate data centers; for instance moving German and French Wikipedias and some other languages to Europe, or Korean and other Asian languages to Korea. This could allow us to make better use of server resources for expansion.
What would be the legal implications of serving some content from outside of the United States, in comparison to merely running them through a local caching proxy?
-- brion vibber (brion @ pobox.com)
On 8/3/05, Brion Vibber brion@pobox.com wrote: <snip>
What would be the legal implications of serving some content from outside of the United States, in comparison to merely running them through a local caching proxy?
Probably censorship. I remember the hassles Google and Yahoo had to go through because of French laws. Believe it or not the US probably still has the "freer" speech out there. I suppose it would be OK if we could move them back to the US in case of trouble. Which would mean not having the local chapters associated with the content somehow. At the very least some lawyer out there should make sure the GFDL is fine in the proposed hosting country.
On Wed, 3 Aug 2005 7:45 am, Dori wrote:
On 8/3/05, Brion Vibber brion@pobox.com wrote:
<snip> > What would be the legal implications of serving some content from > outside of the United States, in comparison to merely running them > through a local caching proxy?
Probably censorship. I remember the hassles Google and Yahoo had to go through because of French laws. Believe it or not the US probably still has the "freer" speech out there. I suppose it would be OK if we could move them back to the US in case of trouble. Which would mean not having the local chapters associated with the content somehow. At the very least some lawyer out there should make sure the GFDL is fine in the proposed hosting country.
Well, if this is the case, should we also make sure that the db is constantly kept synced back to the US in case the country just goes in and rips it out? Not saying france will, but another country might.
Brion Vibber wrote:
What would be the legal implications of serving some content from outside of the United States, in comparison to merely running them through a local caching proxy?
It would certainly make things more complex than having them all in one country. Is there really any benefit to introducing the added complexity? London to New York ping times are around 60-80 milliseconds roundtrip, so physical location isn't even noticeable compared to the other sources of latency.
-Mark
Delirium (delirium@hackish.org) [050804 01:55]:
Brion Vibber wrote:
What would be the legal implications of serving some content from outside of the United States, in comparison to merely running them through a local caching proxy?
It would certainly make things more complex than having them all in one country. Is there really any benefit to introducing the added complexity? London to New York ping times are around 60-80 milliseconds roundtrip, so physical location isn't even noticeable compared to the other sources of latency.
Indeed. And given UK libel laws, there is NO WAY ON EARTH I'd want to see a Wikimedia database hosted in the UK.
What's our reader:editor ratio, 50:1? (Are there stats available per wiki?) Logged-in page views mostly aren't cached, but if we have enough readers it should still help. How helpful have the French and Dutch squids been to serving European readers efficiently?
- d.
As for Europe, servers are usually not liable.
Le 3 août 05 à 15:07, Brion Vibber a écrit :
We've got a new set of servers coming in South Korea real soon, and are talking about the possibility of additional data centers elsewhere in Europe.
With our current software system it's relatively straightforward to move whole wikis to separate data centers; for instance moving German and French Wikipedias and some other languages to Europe, or Korean and other Asian languages to Korea. This could allow us to make better use of server resources for expansion.
What would be the legal implications of serving some content from outside of the United States, in comparison to merely running them through a local caching proxy?
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