Hi all.
(I apologise this won't show up in threading - I've only just subscribed and I'm reading old mesages through the archives)
Heema Khan:
On Urdu Wikipedia, article on Israel is very short: http://ur.wikipedia.org/wiki/%D8%A7%D8%B3%D8%B1%D8%A7%D8%A6%DB%8C%D9%84 I can translate it: "Israel, a palce where jews live. In addition to Pakistan there are many other countries that do not recognize this place of Jews as a country. Majority of the Urdu speaking public believes that there is no country by the name of Israel exists. But there is a country named Palestine, whose some part is captured by Jews and they call it Israel. And the English speaking world says that in a country called Israel some Palestenians want to create a country called Palestine."
This is the whole article. Quite extraordinary, nothing to add more.
In this specific case, if my reading of the page is right, this article has had a grand total of 21 edits, the ten most recent of them in a single three-day period in June. Every single bit of the content has been contributed by one single registered user; all anon edits have been vandalism (well, one was pageblanking, that might count as justified!) No discussion page, of course.
On the whole, while it's still a pretty terrible article, it scares me less once I know that it's the work of one guy and it's just that no-one sane has managed to look at it yet...
On 7/13/06, Andrew Gray shimgray@gmail.com wrote:
Hi all.
(I apologise this won't show up in threading - I've only just subscribed and I'm reading old mesages through the archives)
Heema Khan:
On Urdu Wikipedia, article on Israel is very short: http://ur.wikipedia.org/wiki/%D8%A7%D8%B3%D8%B1%D8%A7%D8%A6%DB%8C%D9%84 I can translate it: "Israel, a palce where jews live. In addition to Pakistan there are many other countries that do not recognize this place of Jews as a country. Majority of the Urdu speaking public believes that there is no country by the name of Israel exists. But there is a country named Palestine, whose some part is captured by Jews and they call it Israel. And the English speaking world says that in a country called Israel some Palestenians want to create a country called Palestine."
This is the whole article. Quite extraordinary, nothing to add more.
In this specific case, if my reading of the page is right, this article has had a grand total of 21 edits, the ten most recent of them in a single three-day period in June. Every single bit of the content has been contributed by one single registered user; all anon edits have been vandalism (well, one was pageblanking, that might count as justified!) No discussion page, of course.
On the whole, while it's still a pretty terrible article, it scares me less once I know that it's the work of one guy and it's just that no-one sane has managed to look at it yet...
No one sane?
It has been edited by: http://ur.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:%D8%AE%D8%A7%D9%88%D8%B1
One of the buracrats on that wikipedia.
It was created by:
http://ur.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:%D8%B3%DB%8C%D9%81_%D8%A7%D9%84%D9%84%DB%8...
The admin we have contected over the sitenotice issue.
On 13/07/06, geni geniice@gmail.com wrote:
On 7/13/06, Andrew Gray shimgray@gmail.com wrote:
Hi all.
(I apologise this won't show up in threading - I've only just subscribed and I'm reading old mesages through the archives)
Heema Khan:
On Urdu Wikipedia, article on Israel is very short: http://ur.wikipedia.org/wiki/%D8%A7%D8%B3%D8%B1%D8%A7%D8%A6%DB%8C%D9%84 I can translate it: "Israel, a palce where jews live. In addition to Pakistan there are many other countries that do not recognize this place of Jews as a country. Majority of the Urdu speaking public believes that there is no country by the name of Israel exists. But there is a country named Palestine, whose some part is captured by Jews and they call it Israel. And the English speaking world says that in a country called Israel some Palestenians want to create a country called Palestine."
This is the whole article. Quite extraordinary, nothing to add more.
In this specific case, if my reading of the page is right, this article has had a grand total of 21 edits, the ten most recent of them in a single three-day period in June. Every single bit of the content has been contributed by one single registered user; all anon edits have been vandalism (well, one was pageblanking, that might count as justified!) No discussion page, of course.
On the whole, while it's still a pretty terrible article, it scares me less once I know that it's the work of one guy and it's just that no-one sane has managed to look at it yet...
No one sane?
I apologise - I seem to have misread a bit.
Created by original user, in a one-sentence stub, edited by "main user". Moved by a third user, lots of edits, then the most recent two are cosmetic (I think) edits by a fourth.
Otherwise, all content - including what appears to be the offending paragraph - is by our friend the main user. We have one registered user who's edited the page at all since the POV stuff went in. I wouldn't be crying "collapse of Urdu wiki" yet.
----- Original Message ---- From: geni geniice@gmail.com To: andrew.gray@dunelm.org.uk; Wikimedia Foundation Mailing List foundation-l@wikimedia.org Sent: Thursday, July 13, 2006 11:20:50 PM Subject: Re: [Foundation-l] Israel article (was: Quran in Sitenotice)
No one sane?
It has been edited by: http://ur.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:%D8%AE%D8%A7%D9%88%D8%B1
One of the buracrats on that wikipedia.
this guy argued that if you are against Qur'anic verses in the Sitenotice means you are against Qur'an.
It was created by: http://ur.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:%D8%B3%DB%8C%D9%81_%D8%A7%D9%84%D9%84%DB%8...
The admin we have contected over the sitenotice issue.
Doesn't surprise me, because he added the Quranic verse into the Sitenotice in the first place.
--heema
On 7/13/06, Andrew Gray shimgray@gmail.com wrote:
Hi all.
(I apologise this won't show up in threading - I've only just subscribed and I'm reading old mesages through the archives)
Heema Khan:
On Urdu Wikipedia, article on Israel is very short: http://ur.wikipedia.org/wiki/%D8%A7%D8%B3%D8%B1%D8%A7%D8%A6%DB%8C%D9%84 I can translate it: "Israel, a palce where jews live. In addition to Pakistan there are many other countries that do not recognize this place of Jews as a country. Majority of the Urdu speaking public believes that there is no country by the name of Israel exists. But there is a country named Palestine, whose some part is captured by Jews and they call it Israel. And the English speaking world says that in a country called Israel some Palestenians want to create a country called Palestine."
This is the whole article. Quite extraordinary, nothing to add more.
In this specific case, if my reading of the page is right, this article has had a grand total of 21 edits, the ten most recent of them in a single three-day period in June. Every single bit of the content has been contributed by one single registered user; all anon edits have been vandalism (well, one was pageblanking, that might count as justified!) No discussion page, of course.
On the whole, while it's still a pretty terrible article, it scares me less once I know that it's the work of one guy and it's just that no-one sane has managed to look at it yet...
So, are we okay to post one of those notices? Heema, are you willing to translate and post both? I think we need to at least open discussion on the wiki as we're just repeating ourselves here on the list, it seems.
On 13/07/06, Heema Khan heema_khan@yahoo.com wrote:
----- Original Message ---- From: geni geniice@gmail.com To: andrew.gray@dunelm.org.uk; Wikimedia Foundation Mailing List foundation-l@wikimedia.org Sent: Thursday, July 13, 2006 11:20:50 PM Subject: Re: [Foundation-l] Israel article (was: Quran in Sitenotice)
No one sane?
It has been edited by: http://ur.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:%D8%AE%D8%A7%D9%88%D8%B1
One of the buracrats on that wikipedia.
this guy argued that if you are against Qur'anic verses in the Sitenotice means you are against Qur'an.
It was created by: http://ur.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:%D8%B3%DB%8C%D9%81_%D8%A7%D9%84%D9%84%DB%8...
The admin we have contected over the sitenotice issue.
Doesn't surprise me, because he added the Quranic verse into the Sitenotice in the first place.
--heema
On 7/13/06, Andrew Gray shimgray@gmail.com wrote:
Hi all.
(I apologise this won't show up in threading - I've only just subscribed and I'm reading old mesages through the archives)
Heema Khan:
On Urdu Wikipedia, article on Israel is very short: http://ur.wikipedia.org/wiki/%D8%A7%D8%B3%D8%B1%D8%A7%D8%A6%DB%8C%D9%84 I can translate it: "Israel, a palce where jews live. In addition to Pakistan there are many other countries that do not recognize this place of Jews as a country. Majority of the Urdu speaking public believes that there is no country by the name of Israel exists. But there is a country named Palestine, whose some part is captured by Jews and they call it Israel. And the English speaking world says that in a country called Israel some Palestenians want to create a country called Palestine."
This is the whole article. Quite extraordinary, nothing to add more.
In this specific case, if my reading of the page is right, this article has had a grand total of 21 edits, the ten most recent of them in a single three-day period in June. Every single bit of the content has been contributed by one single registered user; all anon edits have been vandalism (well, one was pageblanking, that might count as justified!) No discussion page, of course.
On the whole, while it's still a pretty terrible article, it scares me less once I know that it's the work of one guy and it's just that no-one sane has managed to look at it yet...
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I can definitely do that. If you provide me the exact text. But it seems that a steward already contacted an administrator yesterday
http://ur.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:%D8%B3%DB%8C%D9%81_%D8%A7%D9%84%D9%84...
There is a new discussion, where it is a general agreement to remove the Qur'anic verse from the Sitenotice but to display it on the main page in any case. There is still an argument going on in favour and against this new proposition.
--heema
----- Original Message ---- From: Sean Whitton sean@silentflame.com To: Heema Khan heema_khan@yahoo.com; Wikimedia Foundation Mailing List foundation-l@wikimedia.org Sent: Friday, July 14, 2006 10:13:21 AM Subject: Re: [Foundation-l] Israel article (was: Quran in Sitenotice)
So, are we okay to post one of those notices? Heema, are you willing to translate and post both? I think we need to at least open discussion on the wiki as we're just repeating ourselves here on the list, it seems.
On 13/07/06, Heema Khan heema_khan@yahoo.com wrote:
----- Original Message ---- From: geni geniice@gmail.com To: andrew.gray@dunelm.org.uk; Wikimedia Foundation Mailing List foundation-l@wikimedia.org Sent: Thursday, July 13, 2006 11:20:50 PM Subject: Re: [Foundation-l] Israel article (was: Quran in Sitenotice)
No one sane?
It has been edited by: http://ur.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:%D8%AE%D8%A7%D9%88%D8%B1
One of the buracrats on that wikipedia.
this guy argued that if you are against Qur'anic verses in the Sitenotice means you are against Qur'an.
It was created by: http://ur.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:%D8%B3%DB%8C%D9%81_%D8%A7%D9%84%D9%84%DB%8...
The admin we have contected over the sitenotice issue.
Doesn't surprise me, because he added the Quranic verse into the Sitenotice in the first place.
--heema
On 7/13/06, Andrew Gray shimgray@gmail.com wrote:
Hi all.
(I apologise this won't show up in threading - I've only just subscribed and I'm reading old mesages through the archives)
Heema Khan:
On Urdu Wikipedia, article on Israel is very short: http://ur.wikipedia.org/wiki/%D8%A7%D8%B3%D8%B1%D8%A7%D8%A6%DB%8C%D9%84 I can translate it: "Israel, a palce where jews live. In addition to Pakistan there are many other countries that do not recognize this place of Jews as a country. Majority of the Urdu speaking public believes that there is no country by the name of Israel exists. But there is a country named Palestine, whose some part is captured by Jews and they call it Israel. And the English speaking world says that in a country called Israel some Palestenians want to create a country called Palestine."
This is the whole article. Quite extraordinary, nothing to add more.
In this specific case, if my reading of the page is right, this article has had a grand total of 21 edits, the ten most recent of them in a single three-day period in June. Every single bit of the content has been contributed by one single registered user; all anon edits have been vandalism (well, one was pageblanking, that might count as justified!) No discussion page, of course.
On the whole, while it's still a pretty terrible article, it scares me less once I know that it's the work of one guy and it's just that no-one sane has managed to look at it yet...
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Okay, perhaps we should just wait for this discussion to pan out, to see what comes of it before we do anything else. This would seem sensible to prevent any kind of conflict or unwelcome pressure.
On 14/07/06, Heema Khan heema_khan@yahoo.com wrote:
I can definitely do that. If you provide me the exact text. But it seems that a steward already contacted an administrator yesterday
http://ur.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:%D8%B3%DB%8C%D9%81_%D8%A7%D9%84%D9%84...
There is a new discussion, where it is a general agreement to remove the Qur'anic verse from the Sitenotice but to display it on the main page in any case. There is still an argument going on in favour and against this new proposition.
--heema
----- Original Message ---- From: Sean Whitton sean@silentflame.com To: Heema Khan heema_khan@yahoo.com; Wikimedia Foundation Mailing List foundation-l@wikimedia.org Sent: Friday, July 14, 2006 10:13:21 AM Subject: Re: [Foundation-l] Israel article (was: Quran in Sitenotice)
So, are we okay to post one of those notices? Heema, are you willing to translate and post both? I think we need to at least open discussion on the wiki as we're just repeating ourselves here on the list, it seems.
On 13/07/06, Heema Khan heema_khan@yahoo.com wrote:
----- Original Message ---- From: geni geniice@gmail.com To: andrew.gray@dunelm.org.uk; Wikimedia Foundation Mailing List foundation-l@wikimedia.org Sent: Thursday, July 13, 2006 11:20:50 PM Subject: Re: [Foundation-l] Israel article (was: Quran in Sitenotice)
No one sane?
It has been edited by: http://ur.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:%D8%AE%D8%A7%D9%88%D8%B1
One of the buracrats on that wikipedia.
this guy argued that if you are against Qur'anic verses in the Sitenotice means you are against Qur'an.
It was created by: http://ur.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:%D8%B3%DB%8C%D9%81_%D8%A7%D9%84%D9%84%DB%8...
The admin we have contected over the sitenotice issue.
Doesn't surprise me, because he added the Quranic verse into the Sitenotice in the first place.
--heema
On 7/13/06, Andrew Gray shimgray@gmail.com wrote:
Hi all.
(I apologise this won't show up in threading - I've only just subscribed and I'm reading old mesages through the archives)
Heema Khan:
On Urdu Wikipedia, article on Israel is very short: http://ur.wikipedia.org/wiki/%D8%A7%D8%B3%D8%B1%D8%A7%D8%A6%DB%8C%D9%84 I can translate it: "Israel, a palce where jews live. In addition to Pakistan there are many other countries that do not recognize this place of Jews as a country. Majority of the Urdu speaking public believes that there is no country by the name of Israel exists. But there is a country named Palestine, whose some part is captured by Jews and they call it Israel. And the English speaking world says that in a country called Israel some Palestenians want to create a country called Palestine."
This is the whole article. Quite extraordinary, nothing to add more.
In this specific case, if my reading of the page is right, this article has had a grand total of 21 edits, the ten most recent of them in a single three-day period in June. Every single bit of the content has been contributed by one single registered user; all anon edits have been vandalism (well, one was pageblanking, that might count as justified!) No discussion page, of course.
On the whole, while it's still a pretty terrible article, it scares me less once I know that it's the work of one guy and it's just that no-one sane has managed to look at it yet...
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There is a general consesus at the Urdu wiki to remove the Qur'anic verse from the Sitenotice. Nobody opposed it. Some Steward should do it now, because the admin we contacted and who could do it has gone Inactive and refuesd to do it himself. This was the part of the last message by him:
"I think Quranic verses from site notice should be removed. since it is a disputed issue im not going to remove it myself."
--heema
----- Original Message ---- From: Sean Whitton sean@silentflame.com To: Heema Khan heema_khan@yahoo.com; Wikimedia Foundation Mailing List foundation-l@wikimedia.org Sent: Friday, July 14, 2006 10:56:05 AM Subject: Re: [Foundation-l] Israel article (was: Quran in Sitenotice)
Okay, perhaps we should just wait for this discussion to pan out, to see what comes of it before we do anything else. This would seem sensible to prevent any kind of conflict or unwelcome pressure.
On 14/07/06, Heema Khan heema_khan@yahoo.com wrote:
I can definitely do that. If you provide me the exact text. But it seems that a steward already contacted an administrator yesterday
http://ur.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:%D8%B3%DB%8C%D9%81_%D8%A7%D9%84%D9%84...
There is a new discussion, where it is a general agreement to remove the Qur'anic verse from the Sitenotice but to display it on the main page in any case. There is still an argument going on in favour and against this new proposition.
--heema
----- Original Message ---- From: Sean Whitton sean@silentflame.com To: Heema Khan heema_khan@yahoo.com; Wikimedia Foundation Mailing List foundation-l@wikimedia.org Sent: Friday, July 14, 2006 10:13:21 AM Subject: Re: [Foundation-l] Israel article (was: Quran in Sitenotice)
So, are we okay to post one of those notices? Heema, are you willing to translate and post both? I think we need to at least open discussion on the wiki as we're just repeating ourselves here on the list, it seems.
On 13/07/06, Heema Khan heema_khan@yahoo.com wrote:
----- Original Message ---- From: geni geniice@gmail.com To: andrew.gray@dunelm.org.uk; Wikimedia Foundation Mailing List foundation-l@wikimedia.org Sent: Thursday, July 13, 2006 11:20:50 PM Subject: Re: [Foundation-l] Israel article (was: Quran in Sitenotice)
No one sane?
It has been edited by: http://ur.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:%D8%AE%D8%A7%D9%88%D8%B1
One of the buracrats on that wikipedia.
this guy argued that if you are against Qur'anic verses in the Sitenotice means you are against Qur'an.
It was created by: http://ur.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:%D8%B3%DB%8C%D9%81_%D8%A7%D9%84%D9%84%DB%8...
The admin we have contected over the sitenotice issue.
Doesn't surprise me, because he added the Quranic verse into the Sitenotice in the first place.
--heema
On 7/13/06, Andrew Gray shimgray@gmail.com wrote:
Hi all.
(I apologise this won't show up in threading - I've only just subscribed and I'm reading old mesages through the archives)
Heema Khan:
On Urdu Wikipedia, article on Israel is very short: http://ur.wikipedia.org/wiki/%D8%A7%D8%B3%D8%B1%D8%A7%D8%A6%DB%8C%D9%84 I can translate it: "Israel, a palce where jews live. In addition to Pakistan there are many other countries that do not recognize this place of Jews as a country. Majority of the Urdu speaking public believes that there is no country by the name of Israel exists. But there is a country named Palestine, whose some part is captured by Jews and they call it Israel. And the English speaking world says that in a country called Israel some Palestenians want to create a country called Palestine."
This is the whole article. Quite extraordinary, nothing to add more.
In this specific case, if my reading of the page is right, this article has had a grand total of 21 edits, the ten most recent of them in a single three-day period in June. Every single bit of the content has been contributed by one single registered user; all anon edits have been vandalism (well, one was pageblanking, that might count as justified!) No discussion page, of course.
On the whole, while it's still a pretty terrible article, it scares me less once I know that it's the work of one guy and it's just that no-one sane has managed to look at it yet...
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On 7/17/06, Heema Khan heema_khan@yahoo.com wrote:
There is a general consesus at the Urdu wiki to remove the Qur'anic verse from the Sitenotice. Nobody opposed it. Some Steward should do it now, because the admin we contacted and who could do it has gone Inactive and refuesd to do it himself.
I've removed the sitenotice.
Angela.
I would say that the Main Page is almost as bad as the MediaWiki message space (though not quite). It is still quite an official page for Wikipedia and should, like all pages, remain unbiased.
On 14/07/06, Heema Khan heema_khan@yahoo.com wrote:
I can definitely do that. If you provide me the exact text. But it seems that a steward already contacted an administrator yesterday
http://ur.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:%D8%B3%DB%8C%D9%81_%D8%A7%D9%84%D9%84...
There is a new discussion, where it is a general agreement to remove the Qur'anic verse from the Sitenotice but to display it on the main page in any case. There is still an argument going on in favour and against this new proposition.
--heema
----- Original Message ---- From: Sean Whitton sean@silentflame.com To: Heema Khan heema_khan@yahoo.com; Wikimedia Foundation Mailing List foundation-l@wikimedia.org Sent: Friday, July 14, 2006 10:13:21 AM Subject: Re: [Foundation-l] Israel article (was: Quran in Sitenotice)
So, are we okay to post one of those notices? Heema, are you willing to translate and post both? I think we need to at least open discussion on the wiki as we're just repeating ourselves here on the list, it seems.
On 13/07/06, Heema Khan heema_khan@yahoo.com wrote:
----- Original Message ---- From: geni geniice@gmail.com To: andrew.gray@dunelm.org.uk; Wikimedia Foundation Mailing List foundation-l@wikimedia.org Sent: Thursday, July 13, 2006 11:20:50 PM Subject: Re: [Foundation-l] Israel article (was: Quran in Sitenotice)
No one sane?
It has been edited by: http://ur.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:%D8%AE%D8%A7%D9%88%D8%B1
One of the buracrats on that wikipedia.
this guy argued that if you are against Qur'anic verses in the Sitenotice means you are against Qur'an.
It was created by: http://ur.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:%D8%B3%DB%8C%D9%81_%D8%A7%D9%84%D9%84%DB%8...
The admin we have contected over the sitenotice issue.
Doesn't surprise me, because he added the Quranic verse into the Sitenotice in the first place.
--heema
On 7/13/06, Andrew Gray shimgray@gmail.com wrote:
Hi all.
(I apologise this won't show up in threading - I've only just subscribed and I'm reading old mesages through the archives)
Heema Khan:
On Urdu Wikipedia, article on Israel is very short: http://ur.wikipedia.org/wiki/%D8%A7%D8%B3%D8%B1%D8%A7%D8%A6%DB%8C%D9%84 I can translate it: "Israel, a palce where jews live. In addition to Pakistan there are many other countries that do not recognize this place of Jews as a country. Majority of the Urdu speaking public believes that there is no country by the name of Israel exists. But there is a country named Palestine, whose some part is captured by Jews and they call it Israel. And the English speaking world says that in a country called Israel some Palestenians want to create a country called Palestine."
This is the whole article. Quite extraordinary, nothing to add more.
In this specific case, if my reading of the page is right, this article has had a grand total of 21 edits, the ten most recent of them in a single three-day period in June. Every single bit of the content has been contributed by one single registered user; all anon edits have been vandalism (well, one was pageblanking, that might count as justified!) No discussion page, of course.
On the whole, while it's still a pretty terrible article, it scares me less once I know that it's the work of one guy and it's just that no-one sane has managed to look at it yet...
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