Dear fellow Wikimedians,
On the 7th of April, a joint statement was published by Wikimedia groups, ally organization, and individual Wikimedians expressing concern over the humanitarian catastrophe in Palestine. The statement calls on "all Wikimedia groups, affiliates, allies, and volunteers to unite in solidarity with humanity and demand an immediate and lasting ceasefire to halt the tragic loss of life and destruction of Palestinian cultural heritage."
Additionally, the signatories call upon the WMF to "prioritize the impartial dissemination of information and accurate, real-time documentation of the current human-caused humanitarian disaster and erasure of cultural heritage" and to "take proactive measures to ensure the safety of volunteers, communities, partners and knowledge and memory institutions from Palestine contributing to the dissemination of knowledge."
Since the initial release, several additional groups and individuals have signed on to the statement, and others are kindly urged to do the same.
The statement can be found and signed here: https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Joint_Statement_on_Palestine
Peace and justice for all, Farah
Greetings Farah and fellow Wikimedians,
I am writing to express my support for the Joint Statement on Palestine. I am deeply concerned about the humanitarian catastrophe in Palestine and believe that Wikimedia groups, affiliates, allies, and volunteers should unite in solidarity with humanity and demand an immediate and lasting ceasefire to halt the tragic loss of life and destruction of Palestinian cultural heritage.
I urge the WMF to prioritize the impartial dissemination of information and accurate, real-time documentation of the current human-caused humanitarian disaster and erasure of cultural heritage. I also urge the WMF to take proactive measures to ensure the safety of volunteers, communities, partners, and knowledge and memory institutions from Palestine contributing to the dissemination of knowledge.
Thank you for your leadership on this important issue.
In solidarity, Aliyu Shaba.
On Thu, Apr 11, 2024, 5:01 PM Farah Jack Mustaklem fjmustak@gmail.com wrote:
Dear fellow Wikimedians,
On the 7th of April, a joint statement was published by Wikimedia groups, ally organization, and individual Wikimedians expressing concern over the humanitarian catastrophe in Palestine. The statement calls on "all Wikimedia groups, affiliates, allies, and volunteers to unite in solidarity with humanity and demand an immediate and lasting ceasefire to halt the tragic loss of life and destruction of Palestinian cultural heritage."
Additionally, the signatories call upon the WMF to "prioritize the impartial dissemination of information and accurate, real-time documentation of the current human-caused humanitarian disaster and erasure of cultural heritage" and to "take proactive measures to ensure the safety of volunteers, communities, partners and knowledge and memory institutions from Palestine contributing to the dissemination of knowledge."
Since the initial release, several additional groups and individuals have signed on to the statement, and others are kindly urged to do the same.
The statement can be found and signed here: https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Joint_Statement_on_Palestine
Peace and justice for all, Farah _______________________________________________ Wikimedia-l mailing list -- wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org, guidelines at: https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines and https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia-l Public archives at https://lists.wikimedia.org/hyperkitty/list/wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org/... To unsubscribe send an email to wikimedia-l-leave@lists.wikimedia.org
On Thu, 11 Apr 2024 at 17:45, Shaba 50 aliyuy921@gmail.com wrote:
Greetings Farah and fellow Wikimedians,
I am writing to express my support for the Joint Statement on Palestine. I am deeply concerned about the humanitarian catastrophe in Palestine and believe that Wikimedia groups, affiliates, allies, and volunteers should unite in solidarity with humanity and demand an immediate and lasting ceasefire to halt the tragic loss of life and destruction of Palestinian cultural heritage.
Whats special about this conflict? The second Darfur genocide is ongoing but you aren't making demands about that. The recent ethnic cleansing in Nagorno-Karabakh was hardly a good thing and yet you remain silent. While I'm not upset of the outcome of the recent fighting around Myawaddy are you not concerned about the loss of life and destruction of cultural heritage in the area?
I also urge the WMF to take proactive measures to ensure the safety of volunteers,
The WMF is not an oil company. It does not have merceneries on call and nor should it.
Seriously? While hailing from Pakistan might suggest an automatic alignment with such a letter, and I do have all my sympathies for Palestinians but it's crucial to recognize that Wikipedia, and even WMF are intended to remain impartial. I believe supporting or denouncing political issues is not appropriate on this mailing list. Wikimedia or WMF meant to be unbiased, so let's leave it as it is.
-- Saqib Qayyum
On Thu, Apr 11, 2024 at 11:01 PM geni geniice@gmail.com wrote:
On Thu, 11 Apr 2024 at 17:45, Shaba 50 aliyuy921@gmail.com wrote:
Greetings Farah and fellow Wikimedians,
I am writing to express my support for the Joint Statement on Palestine.
I am deeply concerned about the humanitarian catastrophe in Palestine and believe that Wikimedia groups, affiliates, allies, and volunteers should unite in solidarity with humanity and demand an immediate and lasting ceasefire to halt the tragic loss of life and destruction of Palestinian cultural heritage.
Whats special about this conflict? The second Darfur genocide is ongoing but you aren't making demands about that. The recent ethnic cleansing in Nagorno-Karabakh was hardly a good thing and yet you remain silent. While I'm not upset of the outcome of the recent fighting around Myawaddy are you not concerned about the loss of life and destruction of cultural heritage in the area?
I also urge the WMF to take proactive measures to ensure the safety of
volunteers,
The WMF is not an oil company. It does not have merceneries on call and nor should it.
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Quick question, I'm not directly against what you're saying, but...
How does this viewpoint align with NPOV, or the impression of NPOV?
Would you think that "If you are neutral in situations of injustice, you have chosen the side of the oppressor" explicitly rejects a position of neutrality and neutral reporting?
Later you request "We urgently request the Wikimedia Foundation to prioritize the unbiased dissemination of information and the accurate and timely documentation of the ongoing human-made humanitarian disaster and the erasure of cultural heritage." How is this request for unbiased action possible if you just previously rejected a position of neutrality?
I can see you feel very strongly, and I won't disagree that your action may have merit in other contexts; I also might not disagree with a mission on somewhat different grounds.
That said, one should use the right tool for the right job. As it stands, how would you argue that wikimedia and wikipedia (organizations that depend on being neutral) would be the right place for this mission, specifically with this wording?
sincerely, Kim Bruning
On Thu, Apr 11, 2024 at 07:00:11PM +0300, Farah Jack Mustaklem wrote:
Dear fellow Wikimedians,
On the 7th of April, a joint statement was published by Wikimedia groups, ally organization, and individual Wikimedians expressing concern over the humanitarian catastrophe in Palestine. The statement calls on "all Wikimedia groups, affiliates, allies, and volunteers to unite in solidarity with humanity and demand an immediate and lasting ceasefire to halt the tragic loss of life and destruction of Palestinian cultural heritage."
Additionally, the signatories call upon the WMF to "prioritize the impartial dissemination of information and accurate, real-time documentation of the current human-caused humanitarian disaster and erasure of cultural heritage" and to "take proactive measures to ensure the safety of volunteers, communities, partners and knowledge and memory institutions from Palestine contributing to the dissemination of knowledge."
Since the initial release, several additional groups and individuals have signed on to the statement, and others are kindly urged to do the same.
The statement can be found and signed here: https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Joint_Statement_on_Palestine
Peace and justice for all, Farah
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Hello,
It seems that very few people watch the talkpage, so I repost my commenthttps://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Talk:Joint_Statement_on_Palestine#c-SCP-2000-20240413022700-What_WMF_should_do? here:)
"We call upon the Wikimedia Foundation to take proactive measures to ensure the safety of volunteers, communities, partners and knowledge and memory institutions from Palestine contributing to the dissemination of knowledge. We urgently request the Wikimedia Foundation to prioritize the unbiased dissemination of information and the accurate and timely documentation of the ongoing human-made humanitarian disaster and the erasure of cultural heritage. "
Previously, WMF published a statementhttps://wikimediafoundation.org/news/2023/12/05/wikimedia-foundation-calls-for-unrestricted-internet-connectivity-and-access-to-knowledge-in-gaza/ to calls for unrestricted internet connectivity and access to knowledge in Gaza in December. The Human rights teamhttps://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Human_rights_team also published an a on-wiki statementhttps://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Human_Rights_Team/Impact_of_the_war_in_Gaza_and_Israel regarding digital and physical security best practices and the Internet Outages Guidehttps://diff.wikimedia.org/2023/10/25/the-internet-outages-guide/.
WMF is only an organization which hosts and support Wikimedia projects, rather than a Human rights organization. Thus, I am curious about the petitioner's thoughts on what further action WMF should take to fulfil the requirements of this statement. Thanks.
Regards, SCP-2000 https://w.wiki/_zgcU ________________________________ From: Farah Jack Mustaklem fjmustak@gmail.com Sent: Friday, April 12, 2024 12:00 AM To: Wikimedia Mailing List wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Subject: [Wikimedia-l] Joint Statement on Palestine
Dear fellow Wikimedians,
On the 7th of April, a joint statement was published by Wikimedia groups, ally organization, and individual Wikimedians expressing concern over the humanitarian catastrophe in Palestine. The statement calls on "all Wikimedia groups, affiliates, allies, and volunteers to unite in solidarity with humanity and demand an immediate and lasting ceasefire to halt the tragic loss of life and destruction of Palestinian cultural heritage."
Additionally, the signatories call upon the WMF to "prioritize the impartial dissemination of information and accurate, real-time documentation of the current human-caused humanitarian disaster and erasure of cultural heritage" and to "take proactive measures to ensure the safety of volunteers, communities, partners and knowledge and memory institutions from Palestine contributing to the dissemination of knowledge."
Since the initial release, several additional groups and individuals have signed on to the statement, and others are kindly urged to do the same.
The statement can be found and signed here: https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Joint_Statement_on_Palestine
Peace and justice for all, Farah
Kaya
There is nothing I want more than peace, prosperity, and the freedom of everyone everywhere to contribute. I'm wondering what specific actions this statement is trying to achieve. The WMF has supported a call for access to the internet. None of the Projects are systemically deleting content on Palestine nor is The Wikimedia Foundation requesting that knowledge be removed. The movement is just the sum of the effort us volunteers choose to put in.
As for what is being written on the projects themselves, we contributors are neutral and present all sides of the story without undue weight, the WMF has no editorial control over that. In all conflicts accurate, reliable, real time reporting is lost as every side has an agenda including those reporting in the moment which is why we dont allow Original Research.
So who decides what is accurate, what is impartial after the adoption of these statements
On Sat, 13 Apr 2024 at 22:47, SCP 2000 scp-2000.wikimedia@outlook.com wrote:
Hello,
It seems that very few people watch the talkpage, so I repost my comment https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Talk:Joint_Statement_on_Palestine#c-SCP-2000-20240413022700-What_WMF_should_do? here:)
"*We call upon the Wikimedia Foundation to take proactive measures to ensure the safety of volunteers, communities, partners and knowledge and memory institutions from Palestine contributing to the dissemination of knowledge. We urgently request the Wikimedia Foundation to prioritize the unbiased dissemination of information and the accurate and timely documentation of the ongoing human-made humanitarian disaster and the erasure of cultural heritage. *"
Previously, WMF published a statement https://wikimediafoundation.org/news/2023/12/05/wikimedia-foundation-calls-for-unrestricted-internet-connectivity-and-access-to-knowledge-in-gaza/ to calls for unrestricted internet connectivity and access to knowledge in Gaza in December. The Human rights team https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Human_rights_team also published an a on-wiki statement https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Human_Rights_Team/Impact_of_the_war_in_Gaza_and_Israel regarding digital and physical security best practices and the Internet Outages Guide https://diff.wikimedia.org/2023/10/25/the-internet-outages-guide/.
WMF is only an organization which hosts and support Wikimedia projects, rather than a Human rights organization. Thus, I am curious about the petitioner's thoughts on *what further action WMF should take to fulfil the requirements of this statement*. Thanks.
Regards, SCP-2000 https://w.wiki/_zgcU
*From:* Farah Jack Mustaklem fjmustak@gmail.com *Sent:* Friday, April 12, 2024 12:00 AM *To:* Wikimedia Mailing List wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org *Subject:* [Wikimedia-l] Joint Statement on Palestine
Dear fellow Wikimedians,
On the 7th of April, a joint statement was published by Wikimedia groups, ally organization, and individual Wikimedians expressing concern over the humanitarian catastrophe in Palestine. The statement calls on "all Wikimedia groups, affiliates, allies, and volunteers to unite in solidarity with humanity and demand an immediate and lasting ceasefire to halt the tragic loss of life and destruction of Palestinian cultural heritage."
Additionally, the signatories call upon the WMF to "prioritize the impartial dissemination of information and accurate, real-time documentation of the current human-caused humanitarian disaster and erasure of cultural heritage" and to "take proactive measures to ensure the safety of volunteers, communities, partners and knowledge and memory institutions from Palestine contributing to the dissemination of knowledge."
Since the initial release, several additional groups and individuals have signed on to the statement, and others are kindly urged to do the same.
The statement can be found and signed here: https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Joint_Statement_on_Palestine
Peace and justice for all, Farah _______________________________________________ Wikimedia-l mailing list -- wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org, guidelines at: https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines and https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia-l Public archives at https://lists.wikimedia.org/hyperkitty/list/wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org/... To unsubscribe send an email to wikimedia-l-leave@lists.wikimedia.org
+1 Regards, Sir48-Thyge
Den lør. 13. apr. 2024 kl. 16.47 skrev SCP 2000 < scp-2000.wikimedia@outlook.com>:
Hello,
It seems that very few people watch the talkpage, so I repost my comment https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Talk:Joint_Statement_on_Palestine#c-SCP-2000-20240413022700-What_WMF_should_do? here:)
"*We call upon the Wikimedia Foundation to take proactive measures to ensure the safety of volunteers, communities, partners and knowledge and memory institutions from Palestine contributing to the dissemination of knowledge. We urgently request the Wikimedia Foundation to prioritize the unbiased dissemination of information and the accurate and timely documentation of the ongoing human-made humanitarian disaster and the erasure of cultural heritage. *"
Previously, WMF published a statement https://wikimediafoundation.org/news/2023/12/05/wikimedia-foundation-calls-for-unrestricted-internet-connectivity-and-access-to-knowledge-in-gaza/ to calls for unrestricted internet connectivity and access to knowledge in Gaza in December. The Human rights team https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Human_rights_team also published an a on-wiki statement https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Human_Rights_Team/Impact_of_the_war_in_Gaza_and_Israel regarding digital and physical security best practices and the Internet Outages Guide https://diff.wikimedia.org/2023/10/25/the-internet-outages-guide/.
WMF is only an organization which hosts and support Wikimedia projects, rather than a Human rights organization. Thus, I am curious about the petitioner's thoughts on *what further action WMF should take to fulfil the requirements of this statement*. Thanks.
Regards, SCP-2000 https://w.wiki/_zgcU
*From:* Farah Jack Mustaklem fjmustak@gmail.com *Sent:* Friday, April 12, 2024 12:00 AM *To:* Wikimedia Mailing List wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org *Subject:* [Wikimedia-l] Joint Statement on Palestine
Dear fellow Wikimedians,
On the 7th of April, a joint statement was published by Wikimedia groups, ally organization, and individual Wikimedians expressing concern over the humanitarian catastrophe in Palestine. The statement calls on "all Wikimedia groups, affiliates, allies, and volunteers to unite in solidarity with humanity and demand an immediate and lasting ceasefire to halt the tragic loss of life and destruction of Palestinian cultural heritage."
Additionally, the signatories call upon the WMF to "prioritize the impartial dissemination of information and accurate, real-time documentation of the current human-caused humanitarian disaster and erasure of cultural heritage" and to "take proactive measures to ensure the safety of volunteers, communities, partners and knowledge and memory institutions from Palestine contributing to the dissemination of knowledge."
Since the initial release, several additional groups and individuals have signed on to the statement, and others are kindly urged to do the same.
The statement can be found and signed here: https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Joint_Statement_on_Palestine
Peace and justice for all, Farah _______________________________________________ Wikimedia-l mailing list -- wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org, guidelines at: https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines and https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia-l Public archives at https://lists.wikimedia.org/hyperkitty/list/wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org/... To unsubscribe send an email to wikimedia-l-leave@lists.wikimedia.org
It might be a good idea to freeze this thread out before we start discussing whether political statements are allowed here at all, whether they are desirable, and whether this specific political statement qualifies as support or endorsement of terrorism. I do not see how any of such discussions on this list can lead to anything productive.
Best Yaroslav
On Sun, Apr 14, 2024 at 12:45 PM Thyge ltl.privat@gmail.com wrote:
+1 Regards, Sir48-Thyge
Den lør. 13. apr. 2024 kl. 16.47 skrev SCP 2000 < scp-2000.wikimedia@outlook.com>:
Hello,
It seems that very few people watch the talkpage, so I repost my comment https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Talk:Joint_Statement_on_Palestine#c-SCP-2000-20240413022700-What_WMF_should_do? here:)
"*We call upon the Wikimedia Foundation to take proactive measures to ensure the safety of volunteers, communities, partners and knowledge and memory institutions from Palestine contributing to the dissemination of knowledge. We urgently request the Wikimedia Foundation to prioritize the unbiased dissemination of information and the accurate and timely documentation of the ongoing human-made humanitarian disaster and the erasure of cultural heritage. *"
Previously, WMF published a statement https://wikimediafoundation.org/news/2023/12/05/wikimedia-foundation-calls-for-unrestricted-internet-connectivity-and-access-to-knowledge-in-gaza/ to calls for unrestricted internet connectivity and access to knowledge in Gaza in December. The Human rights team https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Human_rights_team also published an a on-wiki statement https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Human_Rights_Team/Impact_of_the_war_in_Gaza_and_Israel regarding digital and physical security best practices and the Internet Outages Guide https://diff.wikimedia.org/2023/10/25/the-internet-outages-guide/ .
WMF is only an organization which hosts and support Wikimedia projects, rather than a Human rights organization. Thus, I am curious about the petitioner's thoughts on *what further action WMF should take to fulfil the requirements of this statement*. Thanks.
Regards, SCP-2000 https://w.wiki/_zgcU
*From:* Farah Jack Mustaklem fjmustak@gmail.com *Sent:* Friday, April 12, 2024 12:00 AM *To:* Wikimedia Mailing List wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org *Subject:* [Wikimedia-l] Joint Statement on Palestine
Dear fellow Wikimedians,
On the 7th of April, a joint statement was published by Wikimedia groups, ally organization, and individual Wikimedians expressing concern over the humanitarian catastrophe in Palestine. The statement calls on "all Wikimedia groups, affiliates, allies, and volunteers to unite in solidarity with humanity and demand an immediate and lasting ceasefire to halt the tragic loss of life and destruction of Palestinian cultural heritage."
Additionally, the signatories call upon the WMF to "prioritize the impartial dissemination of information and accurate, real-time documentation of the current human-caused humanitarian disaster and erasure of cultural heritage" and to "take proactive measures to ensure the safety of volunteers, communities, partners and knowledge and memory institutions from Palestine contributing to the dissemination of knowledge."
Since the initial release, several additional groups and individuals have signed on to the statement, and others are kindly urged to do the same.
The statement can be found and signed here: https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Joint_Statement_on_Palestine
Peace and justice for all, Farah _______________________________________________ Wikimedia-l mailing list -- wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org, guidelines at: https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines and https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia-l Public archives at https://lists.wikimedia.org/hyperkitty/list/wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org/... To unsubscribe send an email to wikimedia-l-leave@lists.wikimedia.org
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