1) The donations from the Wikimedia supporters do not have any strings attached, they are given in good faith with no expectations of anything back. There are many charities that donate to the WMF without any fixed metrics/kpi about what the WMF is doing with the money. Given these two precedents it seems possible in my view to donate money either as an individual or as an organization to another individual/organization without expecting anything from them. And I do not have any information about that fact having a negative impact on any charity organisation that has donated to the WMF in the past. Can you please explain how it would affect negatively the impact status of the WMF or any affiliate if they would donate money with no conditions attached?
2) Can you cite any legal precedent where given donations was considered as taking any kind of role?
3) How is that different from the risk that volunteers are already facing? Do you have any example of a volunteer suffering consequences by receiving a grant from the WMF?
Regards, Micru
On Sun, May 27, 2018 at 5:19 AM, Gnangarra gnangarra@gmail.com wrote:
every grant from the WMF or affiliates have fixed metrics/kpi(key performance indicators) to ensure the grabt is doing what it set out to do, failing to do that would negatively impact its charity status.
on the legal side the issue is centered around whether the wmf has any editorial oversight, even by giving grants or donations that specifically focus on the performance of admin/sysop functions of individuals it could be consider as taking such a role.
for the individuals sadly volunteers within the community have already experienced the dark side of what it is to be a wikimedian, to step that up to receiving some form of payment would potentially make people responsible for the content or seen as responsible putting them at greater risk.
On 26 May 2018 at 22:49, David Cuenca Tudela dacuetu@gmail.com wrote:
I have the feeling that we need to clarify what it means to be a "paid admin" vs a "community-supported volunteer".
In my definition, a "paid admin" is a person who receives a salary to perform a delimited function not necessarily aligned with his/her will. There is a contractual obligation where a organization is paying the
person
in exchange of some tasks. Which is basically the definition of a job.
On the other hand I see a "community-supported volunteer" as a volunteer who receives a grant/donation to be able to support himself/herself while doing whatever he/she feels like doing in the project (with oversight of the community), which normally are core activities that cannot be bundled up in a "project grant".
Do these definitions make the distinction clear?
Gnangarra, given those definitions, could you please explain how giving a grant/donation to a person shifts the WMF or an affiliate to being
legally
responsible for the actions of this person? As I see it if I make a donation to a person I am not responsible for their actions, but I might
be
wrong. And in which way would that expose them in their countries?
I would also like to express my gratitude to you for participating in
this
conversation with a simple thank you.
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