1) The donations from the Wikimedia supporters do not have any strings
attached, they are given in good faith with no expectations of anything
back. There are many charities that donate to the WMF without any fixed
metrics/kpi about what the WMF is doing with the money. Given these two
precedents it seems possible in my view to donate money either as an
individual or as an organization to another individual/organization without
expecting anything from them. And I do not have any information about that
fact having a negative impact on any charity organisation that has donated
to the WMF in the past. Can you please explain how it would affect
negatively the impact status of the WMF or any affiliate if they would
donate money with no conditions attached?
2) Can you cite any legal precedent where given donations was considered as
taking any kind of role?
3) How is that different from the risk that volunteers are already facing?
Do you have any example of a volunteer suffering consequences by receiving
a grant from the WMF?
Regards,
Micru
On Sun, May 27, 2018 at 5:19 AM, Gnangarra <gnangarra(a)gmail.com> wrote:
every grant from the WMF or affiliates have fixed
metrics/kpi(key
performance indicators) to ensure the grabt is doing what it set out to do,
failing to do that would negatively impact its charity status.
on the legal side the issue is centered around whether the wmf has any
editorial oversight, even by giving grants or donations that specifically
focus on the performance of admin/sysop functions of individuals it could
be consider as taking such a role.
for the individuals sadly volunteers within the community have already
experienced the dark side of what it is to be a wikimedian, to step that up
to receiving some form of payment would potentially make people responsible
for the content or seen as responsible putting them at greater risk.
On 26 May 2018 at 22:49, David Cuenca Tudela <dacuetu(a)gmail.com> wrote:
I have the feeling that we need to clarify what
it means to be a "paid
admin" vs a "community-supported volunteer".
In my definition, a "paid admin" is a person who receives a salary to
perform a delimited function not necessarily aligned with his/her will.
There is a contractual obligation where a organization is paying the
person
in exchange of some tasks. Which is basically the
definition of a job.
On the other hand I see a "community-supported volunteer" as a volunteer
who receives a grant/donation to be able to support himself/herself while
doing whatever he/she feels like doing in the project (with oversight of
the community), which normally are core activities that cannot be bundled
up in a "project grant".
Do these definitions make the distinction clear?
Gnangarra, given those definitions, could you please explain how giving a
grant/donation to a person shifts the WMF or an affiliate to being
legally
responsible for the actions of this person? As I
see it if I make a
donation to a person I am not responsible for their actions, but I might
be
wrong.
And in which way would that expose them in their countries?
I would also like to express my gratitude to you for participating in
this
conversation with a simple thank you.
Regards,
Micru
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