I'd hope that the WMF when hiring people in what was considered third world or in areas of socially deprived wages that it would pay at least to US standards as a matter of principle that employees doing similar jobs should basically be treated equally regardless of location. That where the pay and conditions exceed the US the WMF should be ensuring that people there are being paid comparable salaries for the similar positions in that location, US wages and conditions arent the best for many of their positions but that should be no excuse for hiring people at lower conditions.
Socially the biggest issue is the exploitation of cheap labour because companies can, the WMF should be doing better than that if truly believes in equality in the movement
On Fri, 11 Sep 2020 at 20:11, Nathan nawrich@gmail.com wrote:
I'm sure it will vary considerably. Does that matter? When measuring internal equity, do we measure based on how expensive of a lifestyle each employee leads?
On Fri, Sep 11, 2020, 7:46 AM Peter Southwood < peter.southwood@telkomsa.net> wrote:
Should they? Their cost of living expenses may vary considerably. Cheers, Peter
-----Original Message----- From: Wikimedia-l [mailto:wikimedia-l-bounces@lists.wikimedia.org] On Behalf Of Nathan Sent: 11 September 2020 13:39 To: Wikimedia Mailing List Subject: Re: [Wikimedia-l] Foundation and affiliates disclosing salaries
on
job ads & the effect of this on workplace equity
Dan,
Shouldn't two candidates for the same position for the same company get roughly the same salary, regardless of where they live?
On Fri, Sep 11, 2020, 7:00 AM Dan Garry (Deskana) djgwiki@gmail.com wrote:
Asking candidates for their current salary is prohibited in San
Francisco
as of July 2018 [1] which means that, as a San Francisco based organisation, the Foundation will undoubtedly not be doing this. To my knowledge, this wasn't done by the Foundation before either, but we can confidently state that it won't be done now.
There are some complexities in disclosing salary ranges for the
Foundation.
One practice that can be used for encouraging diversity in candidate applications is to specify that a position is open to candidates with a wide range of experience and in all locations in the world, in which
case
the salary range posted will be so large that it will basically be meaningless. On the other hand, another good practice for encouraging diversity is to source internally for senior positions, which opens up
more
junior roles that can be sourced externally, in which case a salary
range
can be more meaningful and helpful. It's hard to figure out what the
right
balance is.
Regardless, more public transparency in salary banding would be good to see.
Dan
[1]:
https://www.shrm.org/resourcesandtools/legal-and-compliance/state-and-local-
updates/pages/san-francisco-bans-salary-history-questions.aspx <
https://www.shrm.org/resourcesandtools/legal-and-compliance/state-and-local-...
On Fri, 11 Sep 2020 at 10:44, Chris Keating <
chriskeatingwiki@gmail.com>
wrote:
Good morning everyone!
There's a campaign(1) for nonprofits to disclose the salaries, or at
least
salary ranges, on job ads.
An increasing body of evidence(2) shows that practices like not
disclosing
expected pay, and requiring applicants to disclose their current
salary,
is
harmful to equity in the workplace.
Not disclosing salaries affects pay levels within the organisation - because white men are usually relatively confident in negotiating
their
salaries upwards, so tend to end up with a better deal.
It can also affect the diversity of candidates who apply. Candidates
who
have stronger networks within the industry they're moving into
(again,
more
commonly white men with privileged social and educational
backgrounds)
also
have clear expectations because they are 'in the know' about industry norms, while people who don't, find the lack of salary information a barrier to application. (After all, why take the time and effort to
apply
for a job when you have no idea how the likely pay compares to your
current
employment?)
I know practices vary within the movement - I believe the WMF never mentions salaries on ads, and I don't know whether the range is
disclosed
to applicants or not - some chapters I know do advertise a salary.
However,
I'd urge all entities within the movement that hire staff to disclose
the
expected salary ranges for posts they are advertising, as part of
their
commitment to equality, diversity and inclusion.
Thanks for reading,
Chris
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