FT2,
Please let it go - I talked with Virgilio off-list yesterday; it sounds like he didn't mean to stir up a storm, and would rather this thread die.
Thanks, Ryan
On Thu, Dec 9, 2010 at 3:23 PM, FT2 ft2.wiki@gmail.com wrote:
That won't help much.
If I understand your email correctly, you want the information in order to protest on pt.wiki - either about your name being used or about being blocked for mentioning other users' names.
There are problems with this.
- The thread started by saying it is inaccurate to use a tag line "the
only person ruled by an arbcom under a real name (in the title)". Cases exist (eg enwiki Arbcom) 2. Each project is independent. What enwiki does may truthfully be different from ruwiki, ptwiki, dewiki. wikis can be very different and their internal decisions on these things can be compared but it is not going to persuade anyone about pt.wiki, if you try and argue about events on some other wiki. 3. Even on a single wiki, treatment may vary within context. For example on enwiki a user may be blocked indefinitely for naming another user's real name, or an arbcom case may even be named after a real name. What is the difference? In the first case the real name was not public, in the second case the real name was also their username. So a lot varies depending on context and community. 4. You may be the only person dealt with under a real name *by pt-arbcom*. But nobody has said you were or weren't.
Hope this helps?
FT2
On Thu, Dec 9, 2010 at 7:37 PM, Virgilio A. P. Machado <vam@fct.unl.pt
wrote:
- No real names will be disclosed on this list on account of the request
made.
- No action is asked or expected.
These two personal commitments are important before answering an absolutely legitimate request for clarification: "why [is] this issue of such [...] importance to the thread-creator."
It is very important for this user. Most are now familiar with the use of his real name by the pt.wiki arbcom.
http://pt.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Conselho_de_arbitragem/Casos/2009-09-...
and
http://pt.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_Discuss%C3%A3o:Conselho_de_arbitragem...
That never bothered the user or the foregone decision to filter his edits for infinity, a period that far exceeds his expected natural life. The 53 irregularities that overshadowed the case bothered him a great deal more.
What is not so well known is that four months later, while quietly working on a new subpage, after listing the real names of two users, this was used against him and eventually led to him being blocked or banned (depending on the page you look at) for infinity, by the same administrator, bureaucrat, checkuser, and arbcom member (hopefully no title was left out) that led the arbcom in the case using his real name.
It is very important for the pt.wiki.
The governance of the pt.wiki is in such disrepair that this user felt compelled to gather as much information as possible on a Meta page. Soon, that work was under attack by the same user mentioned above and one of his accomplices, and his now on hold as a user subpage:
http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/User:Vapmachado/Portuguese_Wikipedia_governan...
http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Vapmachado/Portuguese_Wikipedia_gov...
This modest work was started in May 4, 2010, well before the following reports on Meta:
October 2010 -
http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/User:Sir_Lestaty_de_Lioncourt/Archive/October...
November 2010 -
http://pt.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Conselho_de_arbitragem/Casos/2010-12-...
http://pt.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_Discuss%C3%A3o:Conselho_de_arbitragem...
http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Stewards%27_noticeboardhttp://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Stewards%27_noticeboard
It is very important to the communities at large.
Unaware of the existence of this essay (http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/User:Kylu/Essay and http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Kylu/Essay), this user opened a request for comment on Meta on "What is public and non-public personal information?" (
http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Requests_for_comment/Public_or_non-public_per...
and
http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Talk:Requests_for_comment/Public_or_non-publi...
) which brought to the fore some of fears, tabus and misconceptions that are quite widespread on Wikimedia projects.
It is hoped that the above explanations fully justify the statement that the user was interested in the information requested "For reasons of the utmost importance, not only to this user but to the communities at large." as it would provide more evidence of real names being used, without leading to the blocking or banning of the arbcoms that used them in the TITLE of a case.
Due to the sensitivity of the matter, this user wishes to withdraw his request, and apologizes for any anxiety he might have caused in some members of this list. What happened to him is evidence enough. If there are no further questions concerning this request, it will now be considered closed. For inquires, opinions, and/or debate about other matters mentioned above, both this user and the listed talk pages are available to all.
Sincerely,
Virgilio A. P. Machado (Vapmachado) "Co-author" of "A civilized community" http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Vapmachado/Comment_draft
At 01:17 09-12-2010, you wrote:
On the English Wikipedia, we generally try to avoid bringing editors'
real
names into decisions, unless the username is the real name. In the
three
years I've been an arbitrator, we have extended this courtesy even to
some
highly troublesome users. (Aficionadoes of the En-WP arbitration pages
will
recognize the "Mantanmoreland" and "MZMcBride 2" cases as examples.)
I am not clear, however, on why this issue of such such importance to
the
thread-creator.
Newyorkbrad
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