That's a great news!!
Thanks,
Nabin
Wikimedians of Nepal
On Jan 11, 2017 11:33 PM, "Rogol Domedonfors" <domedonfors(a)gmail.com>
wrote:
Rupert,
A Happy New Year to you too. I don't see why my personal motivation for
asking this question would come into it. The request is to publish the
overall product roadmap to the community, for the community to collaborate
with the WMF on planning the future products. That does not sound to me
like any kind of complaint about past actions – why would you assume that?
In answer to Joseph's posting: this response was about current planning for
the one product, while my request is about medium-to-long term planning for
the whole product range.
"Rogol"
On Wed, Jan 11, 2017 at 6:47 AM, rupert THURNER <rupert.thurner(a)gmail.com>
wrote:
Rogol, a good start into 2017! I have
difficulties understanding your
question, especially why you are asking it now. This topic was discussed
quite often and for a long time to justify putting money behind talking
at
least imo.
you are unhappy a restricted grant was received without community
consensus
on commons to have such a technology included? Or
you are unhappy that
WMF
builds up a Wikidata team when wikimedia
Deutschland has already one? You
are unhappy that WMF cuts the money for WMDE and at the same time
increases
spending in the same area of technology? Or you
are unhappy that there
will
be another technical lead while at WMDE there is
a lot of experience
which
you consider waste and unnecessary bureaucracy?
Or you want to discuss
how
it will be implemented? Or, to put it in other
words, what input would
you
give or expect if a document like you are
requesting would exist?
Best Rupert
On Jan 10, 2017 11:28 PM, "Rogol Domedonfors" <domedonfors(a)gmail.com>
wrote:
Dear Wes
Thank you for yet another prompt response. It seems almost churlish to
say
that unfortunately that is not what I have been
asking for -- I must be
very bad at expressing myself to have given so many different people so
many different mistaken impressions of my request. To me a product
roadmap
would be a quite high-level view of the new
products and major
deveopments
and their linkages looking out on a time scale
significantly in excess
of a
single year, and at a level of detail
significantly less than the
aggregation of all the teams' quarterly plans. The roadmap would have
the
level of abstraction, interconnection and
timscale that allows you to say
that a three-year project such as the one you have just announced will
expedite features on your roadmap and that the grant enabled accelerating
the already started work on Structured Commons into a quicker three-year
time frame: so a roadmap on which you can locate a project with a time
frame that was previously beyond three years let alone one. It is also
known that there are long-term projects such as parser unification, new
editors and discussion systems which look out well beyond the current
year. Are there others -- we do not (yet) know.
So again, my request is that you share this higher-level, longer-term, if
not completely definitve roadmap with the community in the interests of
transparency not only as an abstract objective but in order to maximise
the benefits of early engagement, discussion and co-creation.
Yours
"Rogol"
On Tue, Jan 10, 2017 at 9:29 PM, Wes Moran <wmoran(a)wikimedia.org> wrote:
Hello Rogol,
Thanks for the question. The Annual Plan we follow and share with the
community for review before we begin our work is available on Meta [1].
We
> update specific plans on a quarterly basis on our goals pages [2] as
they
> may evolve over the year. We also provide a
number of links for the
> specific teams on our Product page and welcome participation,
discussion
or
connection through those pathways and directly
with the feature teams
[3].
Specifically the Wikidata, Community Tech, Editing and Discovery teams
have
> specific objectives and goals in this years annual plan.
>
> Hope this answers your question and certainly engage in the ongoing
> discussion around the work on the Commons page [4].
>
> Thanks,
> Wes
>
> Wes Moran
> Vice President of Product
> Wikimedia Foundation
>
>
> [1]
>
https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia_Foundation_
> Annual_Plan/2016-2017/Final#Product
> [2]
https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Wikimedia_Engineering/2016-17_Goals
> [3]
https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Wikimedia_Product
> [4]
https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Commons:Structured_data/ Overview
On Tue, Jan 10, 2017 at 11:01 AM, Rogol Domedonfors <
domedonfors(a)gmail.com
wrote:
> Thanks to both Lydia and Denny for these further replies. I assume
that
> the WMF has a clear stable and unified view
of where it is taking its
> various products and the dependencies, which is what I understand by
the
> phrase product roadmap. "A single
document" would be nice, but
whatever
> it
> > is, I am asking for it to be shared with the community.
> >
> > "Rogol"
> >
> > On Tue, Jan 10, 2017 at 6:12 PM, Denny Vrandečić <
vrandecic(a)gmail.com>
> > wrote:
> >
> > > Hi Rogol,
> > >
> > > that is why I pointed you to the links in that document, which go
all
the
> > way back to 2004 discussions of such a project, and further
discussions
> > > over the years. These pretty much establish for me that this item
has
> > been
> > > a topic for commons for more than a decade now. But it seems I am
> > > misunderstanding you, and you are not looking for a documentation
of
the
> > shared understanding of the roadmap for Commons and other Wikimedia
> > products, but for a singular Foundation-written document that fixes
the
> > > Wikimedia product roadmap over several years instead?
> > >
> > > Cheers,
> > > Denny
> > >
> > >
> > > On Tue, Jan 10, 2017 at 10:00 AM Rogol Domedonfors <
> > domedonfors(a)gmail.com>
> > > wrote:
> > >
> > > > Denny
> > > >
> > > > Thank you but the link you provide appears to be to be "Our
> high-level
> > > > roadmap for developing the project", namely the Structured Data
in
> > > Commons
> > > > project. Since Lisa wrote "Structured Data on Commons was in
our
> > product
> > > > roadmap" I was referring to the product roadmap on which the
> Structured
> > > > Data in Commons project is included -- that is, I was asking for
a
> pointer
> > to the roadmap for "features both on the Wikidata development
roadmap,
> > and
> > > in other products supported by the Wikimedia Foundation" referred
to
in
> Wes
> > Moran's initial post on this topic:
> >
> > But I appreciate the speed of your reply.
> >
> > "Rogol"
> >
> > On Tue, Jan 10, 2017 at 5:46 PM, Denny Vrandečić <
vrandecic(a)gmail.com>
> > wrote:
> >
> > > Rogol,
> > >
> > > this was the link previously provided on this project:
> > >
https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Commons:Structured_data/
Overview
> > > > including
> > > > links to previous documents.
> > > >
> > > > Cheers,
> > > > Denny
> > > >
> > > >>
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