It's quite interesting how these models ended up being so illiterate and
dumb on source reading and interpretation, while so creative and plausible
at the same time.
I'm sure there's a reason for this, can somebody please point to a link to
a place where this is discussed, if you know it?
Thanks,
Paulo
David Gerard <dgerard(a)gmail.com> escreveu no dia quarta, 17/05/2023 à(s)
13:12:
Note that quite often it just *makes up* a
plausible-looking source.
Because AI text generators just make up plausible text, not accurate
text.
On Wed, 17 May 2023 at 09:40, Lane Chance <zinkloss(a)gmail.com> wrote:
Keep in mind how fast these tools change. ChatGPT, Bard and
competitors understand well the issues with lack of sources, and Bard
does sometimes put a suitable source in a footnote, even if it
(somewhat disappointingly) just links to wikipedia. There's likely to
be a variation soon that does a decent job of providing references,
and at that point the role of these tools moves beyond being an
amusement to a far more credible research tool.
So, these long discussions about impact on open knowledge are quite
likely to have to run again in 2024...
On Wed, 17 May 2023 at 09:24, Kiril Simeonovski
<kiril.simeonovski(a)gmail.com> wrote:
>
> Thank you everyone for your input.
>
> Your considerations are very similar to mine, and they give a clear
direction
towards what the guidelines regarding the use of ChatGPT should
point to.
>
> Best regards,
> Kiril
>
> On Wed, 17 May 2023 at 10:11, Ilario valdelli <valdelli(a)gmail.com>
wrote:
>>
>> Define "reliable source".
>>
>> A source is reliable if can be consulted by other people than the
editor
>> to check the content.
>>
>> Is this possible with ChatGPT? No, becaue if you address the same
>> question to CHatGPT, you will have a different answer.
>>
>> In this case how the people verificaying the information can check
that
>> the editor did not invent the result?
>>
>> Kind regards
>>
>> On 17/05/2023 09:08, Kiril Simeonovski wrote:
>> > Dear Wikimedians,
>> >
>> > Two days ago, a participant in one of our edit-a-thons consulted
>> > ChatGPT when writing an article on the Macedonian Wikipedia that did
>> > not exist on any other language edition. ChatGPT provided some
output,
>> > but the problem was how to cite
it.
>> >
>> > The community on the Macedonian Wikipedia has not yet had a
discussion
>> > on this matter and we do not have
any guidelines. So, my main
>> > questions are the following:
>> >
>> > * Can ChatGPT be used as a reliable source and, if yes, how would
the
>> > citation look like?
>> >
>> > * Are there any ongoing community discussions on introducing
guidelines?
>> >
>> > My personal opinion is that ChatGPT should be avoided as a reliable
>> > source, and only the original source where the algorithm gets the
>> > information from should be used.
>> >
>> > Best regards,
>> > Kiril
>> >
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