[Wikimedia-l] Fwd: Vote for freedom of panorama in France

Dear Berard, thanks for sharing that. I assume you (wisely) borrowed most of the wording of your proposal directly from the Infosoc directive -- at any rate, the two texts seem to match word-for-word, with one noticeable difference: While the Infosoc directive does not require a limitation to particular categories of works, your proposed amendment would apply (only) to "oeuvres architecturales et des sculptures;" the Directive meanwhile refers to "oeuvres, telles que des réalisations architecturales ou des sculptures" (Art. 5(3)(h)). I'd be interested in the reasoning for that choice. I'm not criticizing it, I'm just curious about the 'why.' I noticed recently that the Wikimedia organizations involved in the policy debates surrounding the "freedom of panorama" repeatedly fell back to such a limitation, to the extent that the Bernardi/Isaias/Lobert memorandum (c.f., https://lists.wikimedia.org/pipermail/advocacy_advisors/2015-March/000950.h… , ) even -- contrary at least to the common understanding of the term among German/Swiss/Austrian commentators and the few U.S. scholars who occasionally use the term -- goes so far as to /define/ freedom of panorama as an "unconditional copyright exception vis-à-vis works of architecture and sculpture placed permanently in public places." That certainly doesn't match the everyday understanding of "panorama" either. Surely, a "panorama" is not, for most people, limited to architectural and sculptural works. Think of works, say paintings or sgraffiti, on the exterior walls of buildings. They are not necessarily part of the architectural work (just see Leicester v. Warner Bros, 232 F. 3d 1212 (9th Cir. 2000) for a U.S. take on this), so even using pictures of the architectural work could prove impossible under such a provision. Austrian law, for instance, limits the applicability to "works of architecture and works of fine art" (s. 54(1)(5) Copyright Code), which would seem like a considerably less troublesome alternative to "works of architecture and sculptural works." Best, Patrik On 16 October 2015 at 11:59, Berard Myriam &lt;myriam.berard(a)wikimedia.fr&gt; wrote: all. an https://www.republique-numerique.fr/consultations/projet-de-loi-numerique/c… https://www.republique-numerique.fr/consultations/projet-de-loi-numerique/c… blog http://blog.wikimedia.fr/votez-pour-une-liberte-de-panorama-en-france-7883 _______________________________________________ Wikimedia-l mailing list, guidelines at: https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines Wikimedia-l(a)lists.wikimedia.org <https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mailing_lists/GuidelinesWikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org> Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, <mailto:wikimedia-l-request@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe>