Evidence that most long term editors are frothing at the mouth would be a
good start, evidence that the rollout of VE has had a significant impact on
long term editor retention, either way, even evidence that WP is in rapid
decline that is in any way related to VE, positively or negatively,
Cheers,
Peter
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From: "Kevin Wayne Williams" <kwwilliams(a)kwwilliams.com>
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Op 2013/08/06 9:07, Peter Southwood schreef:
Do you have data to back up your claims?
Peter
What do you need? Evidence that Wikipedia has survived for years? Evidence
that its decline is not so rapid as to indicate an emergency situation?
Quotes from Erik where he states that he disrupted English Wikipedia in
order to create a test bed? The first two are judgement calls, for the
third there's an embarrassment of riches. Let me know what you need.
KWW
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Wayne Williams"
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Op 2013/08/05 23:44, MZMcBride schreef:
This leaves us to consider the biggest question:
opt-in vs. opt-out.
Erik and James are both quite smart, they are true Wikimedians, and
they make reasonable points about choosing opt-out over opt-in.
This is the point
on which we fundamentally disagree. Their argument for
'opt-out' is based solely upon the quality and quantity of testing that
it affords to VE. VE is not a mission-critical feature: while we have
concerns about Wikipedia's sustainability, there's no question that it
has survived for years and will survive for years more. The stability of
the site is much more important than testing this code, and the testing
strategy of presenting it as if it was functioning software and seeing
what people did with it wasn't a reasonable decision: it was completely
and absolutely irresponsible.
KWW
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