Hi all,
I’m on the other side of things - I think it would be good to simplify our branding, and
‘Wikipedia’ is the obvious brand to go with. I’d love to see us talking about ‘Wikipedia
Data’, and ‘Wikipedia Media, etc. (maybe with obvious cross-wiki tabs at the top of the
projects!), without the confusion of ‘Wikileaks’, ‘Wikia’, etc. I don’t think that a
yes/no Meta RfC on this project right now would help, as there would be an obvious
knee-jerk reaction.
I also don’t think that the ‘brandingwikipedia’ website helps, though. If you want to ask
the general public about Wikipedia branding, it makes sense - you can just click ‘like’ to
the suggested tags and maybe leave a comment, and that’s it. However, that’s not how the
Wikimedia community works, and that’s the population that you need to convince.
If you want this to work, then I think there’s two ways to go: start discussions on-wiki
about the pros and cons, provide data in response to questions and emotional responses,
and help the community reach a consensus with you about the way forward; or just go ahead
and make the change, weather the reactions, and see what happens. I suspect only one of
those approaches would work in the long-run, but either would be better than having
off-wiki processes and then claiming that they have consensus. Of course, you can try an
approach with one Wikimedia project at a time, and see how it goes.
Thanks,
Mike
On 13 Mar 2020, at 18:12, Pine W
<wiki.pine(a)gmail.com> wrote:
Hello,
First, a disclaimer that these comments aren't directed personally at
you, Essie.
Even if money was unlimited, I thought that Snøhetta deserved the
community's trust, and I felt that WMF was a good steward of resources
(all of which are questionable), I don't think that this project is a
good idea. Wikidata is an increasingly important component of the
Wikiverse, and there are a some problems with WMF rebranding itself as
the Wikipedia Foundation including the risk to the communities and
affiliates from WMF's political adventures, governance problems, and
occasional high profile clashes with the community. I don't think that
the costs or the risks here make sense, I wouldn't involve Snøhetta
given its apparent block evasion on English Wikipedia, and I've been
unimpressed with WMF's handling of this process during the past few
months.
I am fine with discussions about branding, but not with this program
in its current form.
Given the choice, I would freeze this project and spending associated
with it pending a Meta RfC regarding the community's view on whether
this project should continue. If the community wants a branding
project to continue, I would let the community decide on the project's
parameters and budget, and what if any consultant should be involved.
Pine
(
https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/User:Pine )
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