Thanks for the specific examples.
I'm not a German speaker, and I know context and nuance can be lost in
machine translation. That being said, the one about someone who was
offering attribution and then got slapped with a bill for a simple
technical error is very disturbing. Especially since as brought up before,
a direct link would always lack the attribution contained on an
accompanying page.
The simple fact that it's legal doesn't change anything. It would be legal
for me to create a website that doxxes editors. But I still would likely be
banned if I did that. If the best defense you can offer for your actions is
"It's not actually illegal!", that's a pretty lame defense.
I don't know if either de.wp or Commons have the idea of "bringing the
project into disrepute" being a reason to exclude someone from the project.
But if they do, using legal demands rather than polite requests as a first
resort and a trap to make a buck seem to qualify.
I have no issue with editors asserting their legal rights if someone fails
or refuses to accede to a request to bring material into license
compliance, or if someone is acting in bad faith and their noncompliance is
clearly deliberate. But the request should always be the first step, and if
they do what was asked, that should be the end of it. That's especially
true for those who made a good faith effort to comply and simply made a
mistake in doing so.
Todd
On Mar 5, 2017 5:36 AM, "Gerard Meijssen" <gerard.meijssen(a)gmail.com>
wrote:
Hoi,
<grin> this is neither Commons nor German Wikipedia </grin> We know that
each subset of the Wikimedia Community may have its own arguments and its
own consensus. By allowing for such a discussion new arguments may arise.
That is useful.
Thanks,
GerardM
On 5 March 2017 at 13:33, Steinsplitter Wiki <steinsplitter-wiki(a)live.com>
wrote:
This has been discussed multiple times on
Wikimedia Commons and dewp,
thus
i see no need to discuss it here again.
The RFC on dewp [1] to ban such photos from being used failed, which
speaks for itself.
--Steinsplitter
[1]
https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Meinungsbilder/
keine_Bilder_in_Artikelnamensraum_von_direkt_abmahnenden_Fotografen
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Von: Wikimedia-l <wikimedia-l-bounces(a)lists.wikimedia.org> im Auftrag
von
rupert THURNER <rupert.thurner(a)gmail.com>
Gesendet: Sonntag, 5. März 2017 10:22
An: Wikimedia Mailing List
Betreff: Re: [Wikimedia-l] a second commons, prevent cease and desist
business
case 1:
<removed>
to name a couple of other persons if you want to google for
"abmahnfalle wikipedia" (cease and desist trap wikipedia):
<removed>
personally i favor a technical solution, as i find it pointless to put
people on some pillory for doing what the law allows them to do. like
separating into two commons - one save for reuse, one to be used if
you know a lawyer. or to built into wikipedias infrastructure to
include the license and author within the picture, fix wordpress,
etcetc. besides of course fixing the CC license in case it still is
not ready for proper online usage.
rupert
On Sun, Mar 5, 2017 at 9:37 AM, Lodewijk <lodewijk(a)effeietsanders.org>
wrote:
I've run into one or two people on OTRS that
were reusing the materials
in
> good faith, but that got a letter from such a photographer that wanted
to
see money
(and that is just spillover from Germany to the Netherlands).
Examples linked in the discussion include this warning and bill
<http://www.gulli.com/news/19712-abmahnung-wegen-bild-
aus-der-wikipedia-2013-01-12>
of
hundreds of euros for a foundation that did not specify the author name
or this
> website that was asked <https://historischdenken.hypotheses.org/3677>
to
> pay over a thousand euro. The discussion on
the German WIkipedia may
> contain more links, and the linked blogs are insightful on how this
> behaviour is being perceived. Just google for "abmahnung bild
wikipedia"
to
> find more examples and stories.
>
> Hope that clarifies. German Wikipedians may have better examples.
>
> Lodewijk
>
> 2017-03-04 12:47 GMT+01:00 David Gerard <dgerard(a)gmail.com>om>:
>
>> This thread is notably long on hypothetical and meta-level discussions
>> and very short on concrete examples of the supposedly problematic
>> uploads under discussion. What are the generally accepted examples of
>> what we're actually talking about here?
>>
>>
>> - d.
>>
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