Well, this answer should be amongst the "how not" examples, worthy having
an own topic itself.
Another topic not related to the event but highly relevant for the "answer"
from Chris: "freebies". Obvious issue never spoken of.
This event can be held anywhere in the world as long as it is "free" for
the participants (no own money spent), you'll always have full house. You
don't really need anything else than covering expenses. No problem with
last minute programming, declined WMF funding or whatever. Expenses
covered? They'll be there.
Cheers,
Balazs
2013/12/6 Chris Keating <chriskeatingwiki(a)gmail.com>
Thanks Balazs! All 20 spaces on the workshop are now
taken. :)
On 6 Dec 2013 18:48, "Balázs Viczián" <balazs.viczian(a)wikimedia.hu>
wrote:
Hi all,
As this event supposed to target guys like me, let me give you a short
feedback about the program.
I see nothing practical, nothing useful in it. It is full of defining
this,
defining that sessions. And they are extremely
long.
Not a word about financial planning, not a word about community
management
(as "chapter's community") nothing
about volunteer recruitement, not a
word
about negotiating (as negotiating skills,
including convincing techniques
and other related knowledge) cost management (cost cutting, replanning),
managerial approaches and attitudes (managerial skills and styles, best
practices), etc. etc. The line is long.
I see no practical skills discussed, except if the aim is to make us able
to discuss chapter-related __theoretical__ things in a much deeper way
than
before. Ever. Nice to have clear visions for the
future though but what
this event covers is about 20% of what is called "management" altough I
had
to admit, it is the most interesting 20%. For me
too.
Cheers,
Balazs
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2013/12/6 Chris Keating <chriskeatingwiki(a)gmail.com>
> Hi Laura,
>
> Actually I hope both larger and smaller organisations will gain from
this
event.
Larger organisations' boards certainly need training and support
as
> much as smaller ones, though there are different challenges at
different
> stages of development.
>
> I'm pleased to say of the people who have registered so far there is a
> broad mixture from three continents and I hope we will be able to fund
as
many
people as possible.
It would certainly be great if there was more support available for
organisations just starting out, available for free. So far as I know,
no-one has ever taken a synoptic look at the support and development
needs
of Wikimedia movement organisations and tried to
work out how to meet
them.
Who might take that on and how it might be funded
is an open question.
Regards,
Chris
Hi Chris,
If there is only one Wikimedia Foundation board recognised thematic
organization, why did you chose to use a plural? And The Wikinewsie
Group
> has aff-comm recognition, and as the Board has never rejected an
aff-comm
> recommendation, I don't particularly see
the problem.
>
> What I do see as problematic is WM-UK organizing this conference,
talking
> about chapters moving towards
professionalism in the context of the
> Wikimedia Movement while charging chapters and a thematic organization
to
attend,
selecting a hotel for participants to stay at that costs above
the
per diem rate that the WMF funds for, and then
saying there is the
expectation that it will not be an issue for people to attend with the
high
registration fee and high accomodation costs
because these will not be
incurred by individuals but by their organizations.
As the Movement appears to be having a discussion about finacial
responsibility and effect use of donor funds, that sort of approach
appears
> to run counter to all of that. No explanation other than "We talked
down
> the price!" appears to have been forth
coming as to why a place was
> selected that costs roughly USD$200 a night. There is no agenda for
this
conference to understand why the conference is worth that expensive
costs.
> The people presenting clearly are not in need of the conference as it
is
> Wikimedia UK, Wikimedia DE, Wikimedia PL,
Wikimedia France. These are
by
> and large the chapters with FDC funding or
access to independent
sources
of
> funding. They are clearly not being targetted for training. The
people
> who appear to be targetted as attendees are
ones who have no money...
and
you're off to charge them large amounts.
I don't see how these costs, which you expect to be absorbed by donor
funds, are a good use of those funds. I don't see how expecting people
to
incur expenses over around USD$850 to attend a
two day conference ($400
for
> two nights, $65 for registration, $230 for a flight from somewhere
close
in
> Europe, $50 to get to the event from the airport, $100 in food) where
the
thing
starts out by violating WMF guidelines.
What knowledge exactly are you planning to pass on to people from less
developed chapters? Fiscal responsibility, best use of donor funds,
following WMF's best practices for grant funding... These are off the
table? What else is there?
Sincerely,
Laura Hale
On Friday, December 6, 2013, Chris Keating wrote:
> Hi Laura, you can bypass the registration fee by selecting "other
payment
option" in the way I said.
In response to another off list query, I should point out that
unfortunately this workshop is only open to existing (incorporated &
recognised) chapters/thorgs, not those still in planning or awaiting
recognition.
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