Todd,
We can recover from the loss of those admins eventually, but that recovery may be delayed
by further blows, and somewhere along the line is the last straw. This may be welcomed by
some groups, not so much by others. Otherwise I agree with your point, though do not
necessarily agree with the way you express it.
Cheers,
Peter
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From: Wikimedia-l [mailto:wikimedia-l-bounces@lists.wikimedia.org] On Behalf Of Todd
Allen
Sent: 25 August 2019 00:22
To: darekj(a)alk.edu.pl; Wikimedia Mailing List
Subject: Re: [Wikimedia-l] Movement Strategy: Draft recommendations are here!
Then, let me rephrase, I guess. Why's it seem those people are being
ignored?
When the FRAMBAN occurred, nearly 10% of the English Wikipedia
functionaries resigned. Many have returned, but that's only because WMF
backed off. We lost many of our best to that, and if WMF hadn't swiftly
backed down, they would have stayed gone. And some still have stayed gone
regardless. We won't recover from the damage they inflicted.
I can't see how any lesson can be learned from that except for "Never do
something like that again". But then I can't see how that couldn't have
been learned with VE, or Superprotect, or...any of that. What WMF should've
learned from that is to never pull any hamfisted interference with a local
community again.
Has that lesson, at least, been learned?
Todd
On Sat, Aug 24, 2019 at 4:07 PM Dariusz Jemielniak <darekj(a)alk.edu.pl>
wrote:
On Sat, Aug 24, 2019 at 6:00 PM Todd Allen <toddmallen(a)gmail.com> wrote:
Then, why'd we hear something so dismissive
as this?
My intent was not dismissive, but factual (I basically made a point that a
majority of our communities is not interested in administration,
organization, structures, etc., so as to address an estimation error in the
discussion).
5-10 thousand people are still a large and definitely worth listening to
group.
best,
dj
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