Todd, We can recover from the loss of those admins eventually, but that recovery may be delayed by further blows, and somewhere along the line is the last straw. This may be welcomed by some groups, not so much by others. Otherwise I agree with your point, though do not necessarily agree with the way you express it. Cheers, Peter
-----Original Message----- From: Wikimedia-l [mailto:wikimedia-l-bounces@lists.wikimedia.org] On Behalf Of Todd Allen Sent: 25 August 2019 00:22 To: darekj@alk.edu.pl; Wikimedia Mailing List Subject: Re: [Wikimedia-l] Movement Strategy: Draft recommendations are here!
Then, let me rephrase, I guess. Why's it seem those people are being ignored?
When the FRAMBAN occurred, nearly 10% of the English Wikipedia functionaries resigned. Many have returned, but that's only because WMF backed off. We lost many of our best to that, and if WMF hadn't swiftly backed down, they would have stayed gone. And some still have stayed gone regardless. We won't recover from the damage they inflicted.
I can't see how any lesson can be learned from that except for "Never do something like that again". But then I can't see how that couldn't have been learned with VE, or Superprotect, or...any of that. What WMF should've learned from that is to never pull any hamfisted interference with a local community again.
Has that lesson, at least, been learned?
Todd
On Sat, Aug 24, 2019 at 4:07 PM Dariusz Jemielniak darekj@alk.edu.pl wrote:
On Sat, Aug 24, 2019 at 6:00 PM Todd Allen toddmallen@gmail.com wrote:
Then, why'd we hear something so dismissive as this?
My intent was not dismissive, but factual (I basically made a point that a majority of our communities is not interested in administration, organization, structures, etc., so as to address an estimation error in the discussion).
5-10 thousand people are still a large and definitely worth listening to group.
best,
dj
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