On 2/18/2011 12:38 PM, Zack Exley wrote:
On Fri, Feb 18, 2011 at 11:28 AM, phoebe ayersphoebe.wiki@gmail.comwrote:
And it's worth pointing out the obvious -- the reason there are so many places is because it's nearly impossible to keep up with *everything* going on in the communit(ies)* all the time. Even a subset of that discussion can be too much for those of us trying to get other things done as well; most of the subscribees of the list probably skim it at least some of the time. And the vast majority of our community is not even on Foundation-l.... but a pretty large percentage (I'd guess) of those people who interested in governance, foundation and meta-issues probably are subscribed, which is just one of the reasons why it's worth trying to make it a useful forum -- a perennial hope and dream!
I'd just like to add my perspective as a relatively new staffer at WMF. People in the office really do read Foundation-l and all the other movement lists. They are very much influenced by them and take them very seriously. A couple of times, someone on this list has said that WMF staff call Foundation-l "Troll-l". I've never heard anyone refer to it that way.
on 2/18/11 3:47 PM, Michael Snow at wikipedia@frontier.com wrote:
In my experience, it's actually mostly community members frustrated with the quality of discussions who call it that. The staff avoid that kind of tone, understandably, as it might seem unprofessional. Personally, I prefer not to suggest that anyone is a troll, except for Domas (he likes it).
Yes. Often a person with a need to control a conversation or discussion will resort to that name-calling tactic. They don't like the POV the messenger is bringing so they try to discredit them.
Marc Riddell