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From: Ray Saintonge [mailto:saintonge@telus.net]
Sent: Tuesday, May 15, 2007 05:48 PM
To: 'Wikimedia Foundation Mailing List'
Subject: Re: [Foundation-l] Native American Tribes Policy
Fred Bauder wrote:
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From: Ilario Valdelli [mailto:valdelli@gmail.com]
Sorry... I don't understand this thread.
I live in Europe. This thread is concerning the foundation... I don't
understand Indians... tribes... I don't understand.
Is this the correct ML?
He's raised a legitimate question. An problem could occur in rare circumstances. For
example we could permit an article about a "Navajo" rug weaver who makes great
rugs, but is simply not a Navajo. People could view her beautiful rugs and rely on our
article and lay out thousands of dollars. Whether we would actually be liable is
questionable, but both genuine Navajo weavers and purchasers of fake rugs would have a
legitimate grievance. One assumes these things would get caught, but considering the case
of Ward Churchill, perhaps not. Being in Europe would not change this, one rug is genuine,
the other not and they have value which reflects their status,
So when did we become rug merchants? Assuming that that weaver passed
the usual verifiability standards there's no reason for us to do the
original research to establish whether she really is Navajo. I at
least assume that her patterns are consistent with traditional Navajo
patterns. If someone is putting out thousands for this kind of thing it
comes down to a question of "buyer beware". We agree with teachers who
tell their students not to rely on Wikipedia as a sole source of
information. Why should rug buyers be treated any differently.
A blurb I saw a couple of years ago in "Utne Reader" spoke of a painting
that was bought for $5.00 in a flea market. It bore a remarkable
similarity to a typical Jackson Pollock painting, but was unsigned. A
genuine Pollock would sell for more than $5.00. If a person pays big
money to buy such a painting on speculation they need to accept the
risks instead of trying to blame someone else for their own stupidity.
Ec
That painting is an excellent example. In fact, it is so well known that we could probably
have an article in Wikipedia about it. There is evidence, aside from its appearance, that
it is genuine; there is a fingerprint on the back of the painting which matches a
fingerprint on a paint can in Jackson Pollock's studio (It is preserved as a museum).
It is considered an inferior painting, when compared to his famous paintings, so inferior
that some experts doubt it is even a Pollack, but he is known to have discarded paintings
he considered failures. However, the painting lacks provenance, a connection between
Pollack and its current owner. The owner is holding out for a unrealistic price, but there
have been substantial offers made to her. Our article would contain such information (I
got it from 60 Minutes) and not attempt to market the painting, simply treating it as the
curiosity it is.
Any article about a person or group whose status as Indian is questioned should contain
analogous information.
If you Google "southern cherokee" you get a website:
http://southern-cherokee.com/about/about.htm
http://southern-cherokee.com/about/sovereign.htm
http://www.thepetitionsite.com/takeaction/712134165?ltl=1179278573
http://www.cherokee.org/home.aspx?section=phoenix&ID=H/yXnQ2HqDo=
Is it real or not? It sounds good, the names of the founders are real, but does all that
stuff follow?
Fred