On Sun, 12 Jul 2020 at 00:09, effe iets anders <effeietsanders(a)gmail.com> wrote:
Jonatan: Implying that there's more secrecy than necessary, is unhelpful.
Do you mean to suggest that the current level of secrecy is necessary?
I
would dare say that if the policies that Andy is looking for exist (given
his inquiry he's looking for a specific set), they should and would be
available on meta.
Apparently they are not, they are on a closed wiki; and so secret.
If that is not the case, that is more likely due to
laziness and/or lack of time than by design
I have been asking for them since February.
so if you know of policies
where that is not the case, please bring it up internally, ask for
objections to publish it, and lets rectify.
We were told the matter had been raised on the private OTRS mailing
list, in February, and that "several of us [on the mailing list] want
to be involved in any follow up". Nonetheless, no response from that
discussion has been forthcoming, and neither the editor who said they
had raised it in the mailing list, nor the one who I quote here, has
responded to requests for updates.
It seems that you're particularly concerned about
the Commons/Permissions
queues.
No; although this originally came to light due to a misapplication of
the policy in relation to Commons, the questions apply to OTRS across
the movement
I'm not exactly clear on what policies you're
looking for
All of them. Every single word of OTRS policy, guideline and
boilerplate, that is not of necessity confidential due to containing
personal information.
is a bit of a mess - much of OTRS has grown
organically. I doubt you
expected much different.
I expected transparency of the standard common throughout the rest of
our movement.
the questions are too broadly formulated for a diffuse
system like this.
I very strongly disagree. But if we /cannot/ give any answer to
questions like "what are OTRS' rules and policies?" or "how is OTRS
overseen, and who by?", then that would highlight even more serious
issues.
More generally, I note that the discussion on Commons continues:
https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Commons:OTRS/Noticeboard#Redux%2C_June_2…
albeit with more heat that light, and that accusations about my
motives are now being flung about. Still the questions have not been
answered. Although we have been told, in the last hour or so "we do
not have a process where we monitor what other OTRS volunteers does
[sic]".
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Andy Mabbett
@pigsonthewing
http://pigsonthewing.org.uk