Gerard Meijssen wrote:
The territofy for the Dutch chapter ends officially at the border between
Belgium and the Netherlands.
I don't see it necessary to be must so. As you have said, it is
that there would be a Belgium chapter. So if the community support the
idea, I don't see any reason why the Dutch chapter cannot be active in
Belgium. By establishing a branch there the Dutch chapter can also
provide the same services it can provide for its dutch members like tax
exempt status or organize meetings and other activities. If this is a
good thing, and has support from the community, why not?
There is no Belgium chapter and given their
politics it is unlikely that there will be one. The projects in the Dutch
language include many Belgians and they are welcome to become a member of
the Dutch "vereniging".
And as far as I know none of our chapters has defined that only people
from a certain region can be their membership. Delphine for example is
member of the french and the italian chapter and not of the german
chapter, although she lives in Frankfurt, Germany.
And the example of Belgium is another good example for allow subnational
Ting, it is nice that you do not see what
countries have to do with
chapters. One of the main points of chapters is that they represent the
Wikimedia Foundation in a limited fashion and, that they take care of issues
that need to be taken care off on a local level. They are things like
fundraising and looking for a tax exempt status for gifts etc. When a
chapter is nothing but a society, there is less need for an official
connection with the WMF. The people in New York can have their own society,
there is no need for them being a chapter and take care by necessity of
Sure. Suppose the Foundation is not located in the USA, and there is no
USA chapter. The NYC chapter can get for its members tax exemption, so
this is a good thing, why not? The NYC can organize activities in their
area and this is also a good thing, why not?
And the chapters are by NO MEANs a sub-organization of the WMF. They are
in principle independent and of their own. There are links between the
WMF and the chapters, yes. But as I said, we would also support all
other voluntier activities (or societies) as far as they are affordable.
If you say that a chapter is only a society and
that this is all that
counts, I do not understand why it is not permitted to have chapters
covering the same space. Why not have an Amsterdam chapter if the people
from Amsterdam think it a good idea ??
The chapters has agreement with the WMF that they may in their area
negotiate with third parties on use of wikimedia project logos and
Actually, that's a pretty optimistic view of the situation.
The very largest majority of chapters do not have agreement.
Afaik, only one chapter has.
When propositions are received, either we forward them to the Foundation
and hope someone will deal with them. Or we just dump them because we
can not negociate.
The cretiria for a not overlapping in geographical regions is
mainly to prevent a third party to try to play
one chapter against another.
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