To follow up on Peter's comment:
Does "we're not fundraising in Russia right now" mean that the WMF
isn't
proactively seeking donations with a fundraising campaign visible on the
Russian language Wikipedia, or, does it mean that the WMF is
disallowing/refusing donations coming from Russia/in Roubles?
IF it is the first option, then that's the WMF's choice :-)
IF it is the second option, then why wasn't the local community/chapter
informed or some Russian-language documentation prepared in advance?
-Liam
On Thursday, 13 November 2014, Peter Southwood <peter.southwood(a)telkomsa.net>
wrote:
Are you accepting donations from Russia at present?
Peter Southwood
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Hello rubin16,
We are not running fundraising in Russia at this time, but I want to
assure you that this was not a decision motivated by politics.
We take compliance with appropriate laws very seriously in everything we
do. Out of an abundance of caution, we're not fundraising in Russia right
now.
Of course, the fact that we are not fundraising in Russia does and will
not have any impact at all on how the WMF continues to support the Russian
language Wikipedia, its sister projects, and the Russian Wikimedian
community.
Thank you,
Lisa Gruwell
On Wed, Nov 12, 2014 at 7:44 PM, rubin.happy <rubin.happy(a)gmail.com
<javascript:;>> wrote:
There were no recent changes in sanctions and I
don't understand why
this turn off in donations happened just now.
Ideas about SWIFT kick out are not relevant here, as it was just a
discussion some months ago but no such action happened.
Furthermore, the sanctions were placed on particular companies and
individuals, there were no prohibitions against all financial relations.
So, I could understand if donations weren't accepted when they were
sent via a couple of banks under sanctions, but I want to repeat that
there is, for example, no prohibition to receive money from Russians.
rubin16
13 нояб. 2014 г. 4:01 пользователь "David Gerard" <dgerard(a)gmail.com
<javascript:;>>
написал:
I'm presuming this is sanctions against
Russia kicking in; all sorts
of business has been stopped dead in its tracks, not just charity
donations. There's even serious moves to kick Russia out of the
SWIFT
network:
http://www.businessweek.com/articles/2014-09-04/ultimate-sanction-barr
ing-russian-banks-from-swift-money-system
It strikes me as quite unlikely that there's
anything at all WMF can
actually do about this. Possibly it could have been handled better,
but that won't change the fact.
On 13 November 2014 00:12, Craig Franklin
<cfranklin(a)halonetwork.net <javascript:;>>
wrote:
I'm sure that you're correct here Joseph,
but this is another
example I think where the Foundation should have notified the
relevant chapter
*before* taking the action, so that they would be ready when the
questions
> started rolling in.
> Unfortunately, I think we're
getting back to the bad old days of
chapter
> > and user group press contacts being the last people to find out
> > about potentially controversial issues like this.
>
> > Regards,
> > Craig Franklin
> > (personal view only)
>
>
> > On 13 November 2014 10:07, Joseph Seddon
<josephseddon(a)gmail.com
<javascript:;>>
wrote:
> I would hate to preclude any answer from the foundation. However
> the
laws
> that govern the foundation are that of the
US. Given the previous
> and renewed ongoing palaver with Ukraine and the presence of
> economic
sanctions
> and the increasing likelihood of on top of
what is already
> present, I imagine this related to that.
>
> Im not sure of what legal risks accepting such donations would
> expose
the
> foundation to. However such precautions have
been made in the
> past
relating
> to unrest.
>
> Its no slight on the country or its individuals, just a
> precautionary measure.
>
> Seddon
> On 12 Nov 2014 19:48, "Federico Leva (Nemo)"
> <nemowiki(a)gmail.com <javascript:;>>
wrote:
>>
>>> rubin.happy, 12/11/2014 18:48:
>>>
>>>> We received some alerts from our users that donations are now
blocked
>>> when user is from Russia:
>>>
http://habrastorage.org/files/31b/b1f/ec9/31bb1fec9b9e45abb6ac4babcc
2371
>>> 84.png
>>>
>>
>> Thanks for the information. Everyone can see the same warning by
clicking
>>> the "Russia" link in
https://wikimediafoundation.org/wiki/Ways_to_Give
> >>> Through what channels are donations blocked? Did anyone try
> >>> sending a wire to the EU (SEPA) account (IBAN
> >>> GB54CHAS60924241034640), or a
> PayPal
> >>> donation?
> >>>
> >>> Nemo
> >>>
> >>> P.s.: ROTFLOL "Please email donate(a)wikimedia.org
<javascript:;>
for more
information
> on
> >>> how to make a bank transfer to the Wikimedia Foundation." In
> >>> case
> someone
> >>> forgets there is an ocean between Europe and USA.
> >>>
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