Hello Jane,
Yes, maybe I have been lucky for having to deal with a Wikipedia that,
despite having its fair share of problems, actually has not that kind of
strife. We have 2 major linguistic varieties there (different to the point
that stuff in European Portuguese is often subtitled in Brazil), and I
can't remember the last time we had any problem related to that. We used to
have some episodic problems, but since we passed a rule around 2011
declaring that articles directly related to a geographic region should use
the variety spoken in that geographic region, it ceased to be a problem.
Language/variety diversity is often seen there as a source of richness and
knowledge, and not as some kind of downside that people have to endure in
order to participate.
Some people of wiki.pt are also very active at the Mirandese and Galician
wikis, projects with which we often engage in close collaboration.
I'm also quite active at Commons, where we use mostly English, but a bit of
everything as well (many categories are written using 2 different
languages, for instance, and we often communicate in our native languages
over there, often in the same thread).
I wouldn't doubt that there are some people that despise languages
different from the one they speak, but I don't believe it's anywhere "split
down the middle". At least that is not my experience, at all.
All the best,
Paulo
2018-07-27 14:57 GMT+01:00 Jane Darnell <jane023(a)gmail.com>om>:
Well just speaking from my experience with the nlwiki
community, there is
often a tendency to e.g. delete Belgian versions of local folklore or
cuisine, or merge these into Dutch local folklore or cuisine articles. I
think in general, you could say that most mono-lingualists are fairly
certain their country and by association, their language is the best, and
any other speakers of their language should either conform or start their
own wiki, never mind local grammar rules, etc. I am surprised you haven't
come across this at all - consider yourself lucky!
On Fri, Jul 27, 2018 at 1:35 PM, Paulo Santos Perneta <
paulosperneta(a)gmail.com> wrote:
Hello Jane,
I think that we are in fact
split down the middle into parties that believe
"some languages are better than others"
and "let's save all existing
languages on the planet, including all of their fonts ever used on- and
offline".
I don't know why do you wrote this, as I never had this impression, at
all. We are split by languages since the Babel Tower was embargoed by
God,
but I never, ever remember hearing someone saying
or even hinting that
"some languages are better than others".
All the best,
Paulo
2018-07-25 8:28 GMT+01:00 Jane Darnell <jane023(a)gmail.com>om>:
Hmm. Yes and no. Yes the May 2017 conference
suffered from some
interesting
selection bias, but no the people there were not
all brainwashed into
forgetting their "wildness". We are all still wild wild Wikipedians at
heart, speaking for the 2006 cohort in its entirety. I really doubt
whether
> the WMF is trying to shove us all in a direction of their choosing.
>
> I think
> that we are in fact split down the middle into parties that believe
"some
> languages are better than others" and
"let's save all existing
languages
on
> the planet, including all of their fonts ever used on- and offline".
Then
there is
a huge discrepancy in workflow for these people and the folks
who
> work in just one language and never think of language as a movement
topic
at all.
Among this monolingual crowd (many of whom do not subscribe to
any
> mailing list or other communication outlets) are the overlapping groups
> between the "field workers" and the "library workers". The field
workers
tend to
operate more by a "drive-by" methodology, and the "library
workers"
tend to operate more by a
"step-by-step" methodology. I respectfully
submit
> that we have all dabbled in all of these worlds and therefore we all
have
enough
common sense to shout "Whoa!" if something really really wrong
gets
proposed. But in the past I have felt quite
strongly that something was
really really wrong, but it turned out it was just a factor of me being
unaware of workflow difficulties experienced by others. So e.g.
personally
I was against the idea of "protected
pages" but have come around to
seeing
> they are useful - even on Wikidata.
>
> On Tue, Jul 24, 2018 at 10:12 PM, Anders Wennersten <
> mail(a)anderswennersten.se> wrote:
>
> > As I see it the strategy process is run for the functionaries in the
> > movement and by them. People with focus on contributing to the
projects
> are
> > not involved, when volunteers is mentioned it is mostly people
running
> > worskhops for beginners etc, a kind of
semi functionaries, not the
hard
> core
contributes.
>
> This could be a good thing and foster a new set of moment leaders,
fully
in
agreement with goals and strategy. It could also be seen as a
weakness,
> as we do not recognize the more "wild" (but creative)y culture in our
> communities and only have the "nice" and obedient culture being
accepted.
> >
> > Facts
> >
> > The vision was really created in Wikiconf 2017 by functionaries
> >
> > The way forward was defined by Wikiconf 2017 by functionaries
> >
> > The set up of work groups was from the beginning set up to include
> (only)
> > functionaries (time requirement, and first it was also talked of
> candidates
> > should be endorsed by local chapters). And the actual selection was
not
done transparent as is the culture of the communities
but by "boss"
selection (I only feel the movement is starting to resemble a big
company,
> not the vibrant communities)
>
> Anders
>
>
>
> Den 2018-07-24 kl. 21:29, skrev Yaroslav Blanter:
>
>> On Tue, Jul 24, 2018 at 9:16 PM, David Cuenca Tudela <
dacuetu(a)gmail.com
>
>> wrote:
>>
>> I do not know what really happened but if I listen to what has been
said
> >> here and earlier on similar occasions, my conclusion is that for the
> >> Strategy Team we - volunteers who are working on the projects but
are
not
>> associated with the chapters, do not show up at Wikimania, do not
attend
>> real-life tutorials organized by WMF -
just do not exist.
>>
>> If this is the case, this is a serious gap to be bridged. So far I
have
>> net
>> see even an acknowledgement of its existence.
>>
>> Cheers
>> Yaroslav
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