The wishlist has reached the end of useful life, I think before we go down
that track again we have to look hard at what purpose it serves and what
other parts of the whole IT/programming area needs to be consider. To do
that put the wish list on hold, clear the backlog of phabricator tickets
and bring what tools we have had created over the last 15 years back to
full serviceability or shut them down and replace them.
In saying that, there may still be a much needed tool so limit what gets
accepted and ask for needs fixing
On Wed, 29 Dec 2021 at 19:26, Amir Sarabadani <ladsgroup(a)gmail.com> wrote:
I'm not debating your note. It is very valid that
we lack proper support
for multimedia stack. I myself wrote a detailed rant on how broken it is
[1] but three notes:
- Fixing something like this takes time, you need to assign the budget
for it (which means it has to be done during the annual planning) and if
gets approved, you need to start it with the fiscal year (meaning July
2022) and then hire (meaning, write JD, do recruitment, interview lots of
people, get them hired) which can take from several months to years. Once
they are hired, you need to onboard them and let them learn about our
technical infrastructure which takes at least two good months. Software
engineering is not magic, it takes time, blood and sweat. [2]
- Making another team focus on multimedia requires changes in planning,
budget, OKR, etc. etc. Are we sure moving the focus of teams is a good
idea? Most teams are already focusing on vital parts of wikimedia and
changing the focus will turn this into a whack-a-mole game where we fix
multimedia but now we have critical issues in security or performance.
- Voting Wishlist survey is a good band-aid in the meantime. To at least
address the worst parts for now.
I don't understand your point tbh, either you think it's a good idea to
make requests for improvements in multimedia in the wishlist survey or you
think it's not. If you think it's not, then it's offtopic to this thread.
[1]
https://lists.wikimedia.org/hyperkitty/list/wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org…
[2] There is a classic book in this topic called "The Mythical Man-month"
On Wed, Dec 29, 2021 at 11:41 AM Gnangarra <gnangarra(a)gmail.com> wrote:
we have to vote for regular maintenance and
support for
essential functions like uploading files which is the core mission of
Wikimedia Commons
On Wed, 29 Dec 2021 at 17:32, Amir Sarabadani <ladsgroup(a)gmail.com>
wrote:
The wishlist survey is defined as:
The Community Wishlist Survey is an annual survey
that allows
contributors to the Wikimedia projects to propose and vote for tools
and
platform improvements
That doesn't necessarily translate into just "new tools". The community
can wish for better support of multimedia stack and improvements on the
multimedia platform and If it gets enough votes, I'm hopeful it'll be
picked up.
On Wed, Dec 29, 2021 at 8:02 AM Željko Blaće <zblace(a)mi2.hr> wrote:
Nice. This looks much better than before.
Previously it felt so many
people had high hopes for projects that are outside of capacities that are
committed to this project. I feel this needs to be a super clear fact from
the start and not ask for the global community to commit XYZ number of
hours in the actions of promoting, translating, proposing and decision
making processes when developers can commit far less back to the same
community. Otherwise it feels like unbalanced work from a more holistic
perspective, but this is also non-exceptional...no?
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