It is not so much the presence of the button, that I ,and preumably some
others, object to, as that if you switch from one wiki to another a lot,
which I do, you tend to click on the wrong link a lot of the time, and that
wastes time for absolutely no useful purpose whatsoever. The links should be
static and easily distinguishable from the edit links on the other wikis. I
am willing to help with beta testing, but only if they sort out the things
that annoy me. If they dont, I will simply leave it to other people. When
they run out of people willing to help then they will have to make changes
to get them back. Its a simple supply and demand situation. If the devs dont
supply what the users demand, the users will stop using it. Whether what the
users demand is possible, practicable or even objectively desirable is a
different issue.
Cheers,
Peter
----- Original Message -----
From: "Gerard Meijssen" <gerard.meijssen(a)gmail.com>
To: "Wikimedia Mailing List" <wikimedia-l(a)lists.wikimedia.org>
Sent: Wednesday, July 31, 2013 6:47 PM
Subject: Re: [Wikimedia-l] Let's have the courage to sit down and talk
aboutVisualEditor
Hoi,
Quality like beauty is in the eye of the beholder. One thing that I
learned
today is that the Visual Editor will have functionality that only the more
accomplished editors will enter directly or they will use templates. With
VE these templates are redundant.
From my perspective, the future will be with the VE and not with the
horrible tortuous templates that require study to use. One of the reasons
why I prefer Wikidata over Wikipedia is that Wikidata does not have
templates and is certainly as relevant. When I notice the improvements in
the Wikidata experience, I can only applaud the improvements made.
What is truly beyond me is that people protest the availability of the VE
edit button. It is the choice of everybody to use VE or not. When they do
they will have a similar experience I have with Wikidata.. You can only
rejoice for the improvements that are made. Given that the improvements to
the VE are a top priority, this experience can only be that much more
enjoyable..
For all the oldies who complain about VE I want to remind them about the
Commons experience; Commons existed without any functionality. It took
months before we could use the images in any Wikipedia.
Really stop moaning and let that button be.
Thanks,
Gerard
On 31 July 2013 18:26, Marc A. Pelletier <marc(a)uberbox.org> wrote:
On 07/31/2013 10:52 AM, Federico Leva (Nemo)
wrote:
I think it would be helpful, if possible, to give
some guesstimates of
this, i.e.: how longer a wait it would cost us to reach some rank of
quality if the deployment was downscaled; or, what would be the
"deadline" for feedback on aspects X and Y to be actually able to be
processed and worked on, before previous development decisions become
irreversible or the developers move on to something else.
Is it even possible to quantify this without just pulling numbers out of
one's ass? It's not just a matter of "10 times the number of users
means 10 times the number of bugs found" since the /profile/ of the
users changes drastically as well.
For instance, allowing the VE only for registered editors is guaranteed
to never reveal bugs/issues that only affects anonymous editing or
interaction between anons and registered editors.
Likewise, requiring opt-in or allowing opt-out changes the makeup of the
users a great deal (the former making certain that only editors with at
least some familiarity with how we work use it and thus preventing
usability issues for "true newbies" from being found, the latter by
allowing the more vocal and knowing segments of editors to "hide" the VE
and no longer see issues they alone are well-equipped to notice or
evaluate).
-- Marc
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