Will the Visual Editor be enabled on Talk Pages then for use of the Visual Editor user?
Flow had been heralded as the solution for those not able to contribute in wikitext but if
that option is off the table, what is the solution for the VE-only user?
Kerry
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Subject: Re: [Wikimedia-l] Collaboration team reprioritization
Danny Horn wrote:
To better address the needs of our core contributors,
we're now
focusing our strategy on the curation, collaboration, and admin
processes that take place on a variety of pages. Many of these
processes use complex workarounds -- templates, categories,
transclusions, and lots of instructions -- that turn blank wikitext
talk pages into structured workflows. There are gadgets and user
scripts on the larger wikis to help with some of these workflows, but
these tools aren't standardized or universally available.
I absolutely agree that existing wiki workflows need love. I think anyone who has looked
at various wiki request for deletion processes, for example, easily sees and understands
the need for a better system.
What I'm struggling with here is that Flow seems to have failed to deliver. It
hasn't met its goals of covering even basic talk pages and it sounds as though further
development work on Flow will now be suspended.
From my perspective, after over two years of
development, we've basically accomplished creating pages such as
"Topic:P0q3m7vwysdezd2m" (I wish I were kidding, that's an actual page
title) on development wikis such as
mediawiki.org. This is a pretty bleak outcome, in my
opinion.
Given the failure in addressing basic talk pages, why would anyone trust the Collaboration
team to work on and improve more complex workflows? I don't see a track record of
success or, alternately, a good explanation for why the previous work has failed and what
will be better next time.
MZMcBride
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