Perhaps the WMF should drive the paid editing companied out of business by competition? They could try setting up a subsidiary trading company to carry out paid editing in a professional and legally compliant manner. I am sure this could be popular with the community as a way of getting a return on their hard-won skills.
On Thu, Jan 19, 2017 at 2:23 PM, James Heilman jmh649@gmail.com wrote:
Okay I have been bold and started a list of the known banned socks of companies involved in undisclosed paid editing
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Doc_James/Paid_Editing_Companies
I have also started the discussion of the policy implications of such a list here and will not work further on the list further until the policy discussions are complete
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:Harassment# Socks_of_undisclosed_paid_WP_editing_companies
Best James
On Thu, Jan 19, 2017 at 6:52 AM, James Heilman jmh649@gmail.com wrote:
If we had such a list of known bad actors created by the WMF we could
than
more easily apply the G5 speedy deletion criteria.
It is easier to associate an undisclosed paid editor with the company
they
are from than with their previous sock accounts.
James
On Wed, Jan 18, 2017 at 9:40 PM, Jytdog at Wikipedia < jytdogtemp1@gmail.com> wrote:
Thanks for this Jacob.
Would you please address Legal's approach to the following scenario: a company advertises Wikipedia editing services for clients, and there is
no
disclosure of paid editing by an editor employed by or affiliated with
the
company on Wikipedia. (In other words, a company is obviously not following the Terms of Use).
In my view, this is a situation where I would think that Legal should start a discussion with that company, and if those discussions fail to yield a change in behavior, Legal should then make a public statement indicating this, perhaps on the page you recently posted under a section entitled something like: "Companies that advertise Wikipedia editing services
that
have no disclosures on Wikipedia". If a company starts to disclose then of course the listing could be modified.
This is something that editors ~could~ do, but as the ToU are issued by the WMF, it would seem more appropriate for WMF to do.
But I am interested to hear Legal's perspective.
Thanks
On Wed, Jan 18, 2017 at 9:17 PM, Jacob Rogers jrogers@wikimedia.org wrote:
Hi all,
As I mentioned in my email earlier this month, we've put together a
longer
statement regarding paid editing and how we see the balance of the communities' role and the role that WMF legal can play in these cases.
We
tried to address the concerns that people have raised to us, and
explain
when it's helpful to contact us to assist on a case. Of note, it does explain what actions we can take even in cases that don't involve the
WMF
trademarks.
You can find it here: Wikimedia Foundation statement on paid editing
and
outing https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Wikimedia_ Foundation_statement_on_paid_editing_and_outing
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