Perhaps the WMF should drive the paid editing companied out of business by
competition? They could try setting up a subsidiary trading company to
carry out paid editing in a professional and legally compliant manner. I
am sure this could be popular with the community as a way of getting a
return on their hard-won skills.
On Thu, Jan 19, 2017 at 2:23 PM, James Heilman <jmh649(a)gmail.com> wrote:
Okay I have been bold and started a list of the known
banned socks of
companies involved in undisclosed paid editing
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Doc_James/Paid_Editing_Companies
I have also started the discussion of the policy implications of such a
list here and will not work further on the list further until the policy
discussions are complete
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:Harassment#
Socks_of_undisclosed_paid_WP_editing_companies
Best
James
On Thu, Jan 19, 2017 at 6:52 AM, James Heilman <jmh649(a)gmail.com> wrote:
If we had such a list of known bad actors created
by the WMF we could
than
more easily apply the G5 speedy deletion
criteria.
It is easier to associate an undisclosed paid editor with the company
they
are from than with their previous sock accounts.
James
On Wed, Jan 18, 2017 at 9:40 PM, Jytdog at Wikipedia <
jytdogtemp1(a)gmail.com> wrote:
> Thanks for this Jacob.
>
> Would you please address Legal's approach to the following scenario: a
> company advertises Wikipedia editing services for clients, and there is
no
> disclosure of paid editing by an editor
employed by or affiliated with
the
> company on Wikipedia. (In other words, a
company is obviously not
> following the Terms of Use).
>
> In my view, this is a situation where I would think that Legal should
> start
> a discussion with that company, and if those discussions fail to yield a
> change in behavior, Legal should then make a public statement indicating
> this, perhaps on the page you recently posted under a section entitled
> something like: "Companies that advertise Wikipedia editing services
that
> have no disclosures on Wikipedia". If a
company starts to disclose then
> of
> course the listing could be modified.
>
> This is something that editors ~could~ do, but as the ToU are issued by
> the
> WMF, it would seem more appropriate for WMF to do.
>
> But I am interested to hear Legal's perspective.
>
> Thanks
>
> On Wed, Jan 18, 2017 at 9:17 PM, Jacob Rogers <jrogers(a)wikimedia.org>
> wrote:
>
> > Hi all,
> >
> > As I mentioned in my email earlier this month, we've put together a
> longer
> > statement regarding paid editing and how we see the balance of the
> > communities' role and the role that WMF legal can play in these cases.
> We
> > tried to address the concerns that people have raised to us, and
explain
> > when it's helpful to contact us to
assist on a case. Of note, it does
> > explain what actions we can take even in cases that don't involve the
> WMF
> > trademarks.
> >
> > You can find it here: Wikimedia Foundation statement on paid editing
and
> > outing
> > <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Wikimedia_
> > Foundation_statement_on_paid_editing_and_outing>
> >
> > Best,
> > Jacob
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> > Wikimedia Foundation
> >
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