On 25.06.19 23:18, Yair Rand wrote:
So far outside Wikimedia
spaces that the only place it was even _announced_ was an off-wiki mailing
list?
Where would you have announced it, then? I asked for a movement-wide
announcement place a while ago in a different context [1] and got no
satisfactory answer; the most popular one was wikimedia-l (this list),
and the only on-wiki answers were “the village pumps” (i. e. scattered)
– with the caveat that you should translate your message first, which
doesn’t scale well. I’m not saying the Space shouldn’t have been
announced anywhere else, but it certainly seems to me that there is a
need for a space like it, and in particular I don’t understand why you
criticize the choice of wikimedia-l for the initial announcement when
there seems to be good consensus for it being a central movement
announcement and discussion platform.
[1]:
https://twitter.com/LucasWerkmeistr/status/1107337860389265413
Every single moderator is a WMF employee?
There can hardly be many other moderators immediately after launch, but
if you check the “trust levels and user rights” post [2], you’ll see
that the software (Discourse) automatically promotes users based on
certain criteria (similar to autoconfirmed status on-wiki), and the
highest level seems in principle to be open to any user (though the
criteria still have to be fleshed out, which to me seems reasonable at
this stage.)
[2]:
https://discuss-space.wmflabs.org/t/trust-levels-and-user-rights-in-wikimed…
Forum using closed groups, with non-transparent
communication?
This question is a bit too short for me to make sense of, sorry. Closed
groups are not the default, so are you criticizing their mere existence?
Do you want to claim that that closed groups are never, ever warranted?
Because in my experience the claim at [3] that “[b]ecause on-wiki spaces
don’t allow for [closed] collaboration, some volunteers have gravitated
toward … other … platforms” is completely true.
[3]:
https://discuss-space.wmflabs.org/t/closed-groups/87
(Closed-source software, unless I'm mistaken?)
Both WordPress and Discourse are free and open source software.
Cheers,
Lucas
Is there something the Wikimedia Foundation would like to tell us?
-- Yair Rand
בתאריך יום ג׳, 25 ביוני 2019 ב-14:56 מאת Pine W <wiki.pine(a)gmail.com
>:
Hi Maria,
Thanks for this update.
I hope that you can answer a question. I may be mistaken, but my impression
is that the purposes that are outlined for Wikimedia Space are within the
intended scopes of the Meta and Outreach wikis, as well as Wikimedia-l. I
think that the community would be willing to consider design improvements
and additional features for Meta and Outreach, such as calendar and map
tools that are easy to use. Design improvements and additional features
might also be welcome by third parties who use MediaWiki software and could
eventually have the option to implement the changes on their own sites. Can
you explain the decision to launch a new site instead of proposing design
improvements and additional features for Meta and Outreach?
Thank you,
Pine
(
https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/User:Pine )
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